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[13:03] < vmlemon_> Hi

[13:12] < Lawouach_> hi

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[13:33] < MS-> In the FilterPype talk

[13:33] < MS-> They appear to have implemented Pipeline, & PureTransformer

[13:33] < MS-> :)

[13:35] < MS-> But with some interesting tweaks

[13:35] < Davbo> not heard of that before

[13:36] < MS-> It's new, released here. To their credit some of their people came to the kamaelia tutorial and went "um, we've been implementing something similar"

[13:37] < MS-> They have a pipeline config file

[13:37] < Lawouach_> never heard of it either

[13:38] < Davbo> the talk abstract sounds like they have a DSL for pipelines?

[13:38] *** Davbo guesses that's the config file

[13:39] < Davbo> heh guess they haven't sorted out the wifi since last year :)

[13:40] < Davbo> you at europython Lawouach_ ?

[13:41] < Lawouach_> sadly no

[13:41] < Lawouach_> :(

[13:41] < aa_> I am, I had lunch with Michael

[13:41] < aa_> very civilized it was too

[13:45] < Davbo> I should hope so aa_, although he does get out of hand at times ;)

[13:45] < Davbo> Curious to see what his last tweet was in reference to

[13:51] < aa_> yeah me too

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[15:15] < vmlemon_> I doubt this'll work well - http://thenextweb.com/2009/06/30/confirmed-pirate-bay-acquired-78-million/

[16:00] < Davbo> didn't something similar happen with napster

[16:01] < vmlemon_> Yeah

[16:01] < Davbo> how did that work out, i guess not well

[16:01] < vmlemon_> They just resell DRM-encrusted stuff in Windows Media format now

[16:01] < Davbo> agh

[16:01] < vmlemon_> Or something like that

[16:03] < vmlemon_> It's not as if The Pirate Bay has much in the way of assets as far as I know, other than presumably "gifted"/leased server usage, a domain name, website artwork/logos, and their name

[16:04] < vmlemon_> On the flipside, the "legal" alternatives aren't any more "legal" either, if http://techdirt.com/articles/20090630/0046095409.shtml is to be believed

[16:04] < Davbo> funny how there is always a price on ideology/principles

[16:04] < vmlemon_> Yeah

[16:06] < vmlemon_> Their "staff" are supposedly all in prison, or at least a subset are, so I'd be interested to know who managed to sign this scheme off

[16:08] < Davbo> hah

[16:09] < Davbo> wow, multiple tabs in a gnome terminal breaks irssi quite badly

[16:10] < vmlemon_> Unless it was done under duress or something like that ;)

[16:10] < Davbo> key bind to change channel == change terminal tab key bind

[16:10] < vmlemon_> Ick

[16:12] < vmlemon_> It's not possible to reconfigure it?

[16:13] < vmlemon_> Or is it a case of not feeling like fumbing around with arcane configuration strings?

[16:14] < Davbo> don't like tabbed terminals anyway

[16:14] < vmlemon_> Aah

[16:14] < Davbo> kind of annoying how some developers love to bring tabs to everything

[16:14] < vmlemon_> Heh

[16:14] < Davbo> terminal, nautilus

[16:15] < vmlemon_> I'm using Konsole, and I don't mind tabs there

[16:15] *** vmlemon_ waits for the next "innovation" - tabbed tabs ;)

[16:16] < Davbo> gnome 3 probably has those

[16:16] < vmlemon_> Yeah

[16:17] < vmlemon_> Although I thought they worked backwards, and actively removed those blasted "feature" things ;)

[16:17] < Davbo> can't work out this mercurial install, seem to be missing a config file

[16:17] < Davbo> hah

[16:17] < vmlemon_> One day, there won't even be a GNOME

[16:17] < vmlemon_> Although that'd be a Good Thing(TM), since it means that there won't be as many ugly UIs to put up with ;)

[16:18] < Davbo> hehe

[16:18] < vmlemon_> I'm not a fan of GTK+, although you can't take away Pidgin, Wireshark and Firefox (probably the few decent applications using it) ;)

[16:18] *** vmlemon_ ducks

[16:19] < vmlemon_> Oh, and Inkscape

[16:20] < Davbo> does locate search everything including .files?

[16:20] *** Davbo tests

[16:20] < vmlemon_> Not sure

[16:20] < Davbo> yeah it does.

[16:20] < Davbo> where is my mercurial config file :/

[16:21] < vmlemon_> ~/.hg?

[16:21] < vmlemon_> Doesn't look like it's in there

[16:21] < vmlemon_> (It doesn't even exist here)

[16:24] < Davbo> maybe it's Arch's doing

[16:42] < Davbo> working now

[16:42] < Davbo> time to get my head around this distributed version control stuff

[16:43] < vmlemon_> Wow, http://einestages.spiegel.de/external/ShowTopicAlbumBackground/a4414/l26/l0/F.html#featuredEntry

[16:43] < vmlemon_> That's one hell of an expensive HDD

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[17:32] < MS-> "he does get out of hand at times"

[17:32] < MS-> Oh hush. I haven't shouted at a bagpiper in nearly a decade.

[17:32] < MS-> :-)

[17:33] < MS-> (apparently there's an EU law in the works that has a side effect of outlawing bagpipes in public places, which I think is awesome :-D )

[17:33] < vmlemon_> Heh

[17:34] < MS-> Yeah, the thing that miffed me slightly was that he used Kamaelia to show "this is what a pipeline looks like", but then said

[17:35] < MS-> something along the lines of "we want pipelines too, but our focus isn't concurrency, it's on solving problems". Which if he'd listened to anything I've said _and he HAS sat in a kamaelia presentation before_

[17:35] < MS-> he'd know was wrong

[17:36] < MS-> (He introduced me at ACCU Python a couple of years back, and I'd explained it to him then)

[17:37] < MS-> I don't think it was a deliberate misrepresentation, but it was a misrepresentation, which he shouldn't've made - esp since 2 days beforehand he'd clearly not known anything about it.

[17:37] < MS-> *shrug*

[17:37] < MS-> minor miggafe

[17:37] < MS-> miffage

[17:38] < MS-> even

[17:38] < MS-> Bit like shouting at the TV for a moment :)

[17:38] < MS-> They've implemented AFAICT 3 things:

[17:38] < MS-> 1) Pipeline

[17:39] < MS-> 2) PureTransformer, in our old 3 call backs style

[17:39] < MS-> 3) A config file which everyone in the room looked at and went "Ugh"

[17:39] < MS-> sadly

[17:39] < MS-> I tried to help them out when parts of the audience went a bit savage

[17:41] < MS-> Put me in the wrong mood unfortunately though

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[17:43] < MS-> Lots of really interesting talks with people though. Probably start getting feedback about X,Y,Z sucking now which will be useful,

[17:43] < MS-> (opportunities to improve)

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