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[05:59] < Lawouach_> hi guys

[06:00] < Lawouach_> http://www.kamaelia.org/Repository < -- both svn URLs are the same, the latter should end with trunk

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[06:23] < MS-> In aa_'s tutorial at europython :-)

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[06:24] < ms-listening> :)

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[06:36] < ms-listening> http://bitbucket.org/aafshar/pygtkhelpers-main/src/tip/examples/

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[06:56] < Lawouach_> ms-listening: how did it go mate?

[06:57] < ms-listening> Good - I need to upload the videos

[06:57] < ms-listening> Currently looking for a recent gtk!

[06:59] < ms-listening> (turns out that suse 10.3 is too ancient for pygtk to be useful. which is useful to know :) )

[07:00] < ms-listening> Adding a Gnome build factory repository...

[07:09] < ms-listening> Hm. Looks like for me to do the practical parts of this, I need to upgrade my whole system.

[07:09] < ms-listening> Which means I have a #myinstallfail

[07:10] < ms-listening> hm. here's a thought, virtualbox + ubuntu disk

[07:14] < Lawouach_> :p

[07:19] < ms-listening> time left for download to complete: 2hours 30

[07:19] < ms-listening> time left for tutorial > than that

[07:19] < ms-listening> ho hum

[07:19] < ms-listening> :)

[07:20] < ms-listening> OK, it's hit steady state and levelling out at around 1 hour 40.

[07:20] < ms-listening> Which is about 1/2 hour before the tutorial is over

[07:20] < ms-listening> Oh well.

[07:47] < ms-listening> well, on a break, and probably won't get the system installed in time.

[07:47] < ms-listening> Which is a shame

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[08:33] < ms-> The GTK tutorial is nice btw. When I've got all the dependencies installed, I'll go through it manually and record it properly.

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[10:18] < ronny> sup

[10:18] < vmlemon_> Hi

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[14:16] < MS-> py.execnet looks like a good thing to wrap for kamaelia

[14:16] < MS-> based on some final comments in the py.test talk

[14:17] < MS-> Will go to that talk later in the week

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[15:54] < Lawouach> dang, pygame AxonVisualiser crashes with the latest pygame trunk

[15:54] < Lawouach> using SDL from ubunutu's repository

[15:54] < Lawouach> might be too old

[15:55] < MS-> really? Odd

[15:55] < MS-> FWIW, I'm using A current version of pygame's trunk

[15:55] < MS-> not sure if it's THE current version though :)

[15:57] < Lawouach> right

[15:57] < Lawouach> which version of SDL are you using?

[15:57] < MS-> SDL-1.2.12-26

[15:58] < MS-> http://pastebin.com/m30e7a5fd

[15:58] < MS-> is the output of rpm -qa |grep SDL

[15:59] < Lawouach> mine says 1.2.13

[15:59] < Lawouach> which is rather recent

[15:59] < Lawouach> strange

[15:59] < MS-> indeed

[16:01] < MS-> ooh. Rain. Lots of rain

[16:02] < MS-> I was on 2351 doing an update I'm now on 2439

[16:04] < MS-> OK, just done a test with latest version of trunk for pygame

[16:04] < MS-> and with latest version of kamaelia

[16:05] < MS-> and axon visualiser runs here

[16:05] < Lawouach> the visualiser runs too

[16:05] < Lawouach> but then crashes when it gets data

[16:05] < Lawouach> it launches just fine :)

[16:05] < MS-> it also navels gazes fine

[16:05] < Lawouach> breaks the same

[16:06] < MS-> how does it/when does it break?

[16:07] < Lawouach> http://pastebin.ca/1478600

[16:08] < MS-> hm

[16:08] < Lawouach> not very explicit

[16:08] < MS-> that doesn't crash here fwiw

[16:08] < Lawouach> probably something with SDL

[16:08] < Lawouach> I believe you :)

[16:08] < MS-> almost certainly

[16:08] < MS-> oh i know

[16:08] < MS-> just useful data :)

[16:09] < MS-> I ought to change that fwiw,

[16:09] < MS-> but what that's doing is looking for a dot

[16:09] < MS-> and it sets the colour based on the letters so that it's dominated by first letters after dots

[16:10] < MS-> rather than completely random

[16:12] < MS-> BTW, thanks for your comments on autoload. Based on the feedback, I won't be doing it in that form.

[16:12] < MS-> I'm still pondering what to do though, because I *really* like the idea.

[16:12] < MS-> :)

[16:13] < MS-> But I prefer not to surprise people if possible, and I suspected that it might have negative reaction :)

[16:14] < Lawouach> yeah

[16:14] < MS-> Oh, *finally* http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0376/#adding-an-uninstall-function

[16:19] < Lawouach> indeed!

[16:21] < MS-> BTW, had *lots* of positive comments today about the tutorial

[16:22] < MS-> It really benefitted from having the time to sit down and explain things from first principles.

[16:22] < MS-> booklet was a really good idea too it seems :)

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