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[05:04] < vmlemon_1> Hi

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[06:31] < Rigolo> good morning ....

[06:34] < vmlemon_> Hi Rigolo

[06:36] < Rigolo> how are things here?

[06:39] < vmlemon_> OK, just having "fun" trying to sort something out for 2 months time that seems completely uncertain, with 2 different people (of course, one of them's slow to reply to e-mail anyway, and the other isn't usually available on Saturdays)...

[06:39] < Rigolo> so you are really having fun ..

[06:39] < vmlemon_> Heh

[06:40] < Rigolo> well .. me too ... trying to understand why mythtv does not work nice with sasc-ng anymore

[06:40] < vmlemon_> Ouch

[06:40] < Rigolo> I have rebuild my backend server

[06:40] < vmlemon_> What happened to it?

[06:41] *** vmlemon_ wonders why Mathematica gets so much hype...

[06:41] < Rigolo> I moved it to a different machine and placed it downstairs in the boys PC room (so I do not have the noise of it in my study)

[06:41] < vmlemon_> Aah

[06:41] < Rigolo> and I upgraded it to mythbuntu 9.04

[06:41] < Rigolo> while rebuilding I have documented how I have configured sasc-ng and created some startup scripts etc

[06:42] < Rigolo> it all looks good, and it also works ... if I use czap to tune the channels

[06:42] < vmlemon_> Aah, so the upgrade has kindly "fixed" your configuration? :(

[06:42] < Rigolo> well ... it was "unstable" before also ...

[06:42] < Rigolo> but now it always spikes the CPU to 100% when mythtv tries to tune a channel

[06:43] < vmlemon_> Yuck

[06:43] < Rigolo> yes

[06:43] < Rigolo> if you are intrested in my setup for open-sasc-ng then have a look at this:

[06:44] < Rigolo> http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mythtv.nl%2Findex.php%2FOpen-sasc-ng&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0=

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[06:44] < Rigolo> (google translated version from dutch to english)

[06:45] < vmlemon_> Heh, I love LangMang's "translations" some times

[06:46] < Rigolo> yes ... but it does a fairly good job I think

[06:46] < vmlemon_> Because *everyone* likes to kanallen of ziggo, or something like that ;)

[06:46] < Rigolo> it must be "understandable" at least :-)

[06:46] < vmlemon_> Although it's done a better job with the rest of the page

[06:46] < vmlemon_> Otherwise

[06:46] < Rigolo> well ... it might be that my dutch is also not 100% correct at times :-)

[06:47] < vmlemon_> Seems like a solid guide

[06:47] < Rigolo> I am happy with it too ...

[06:48] < vmlemon_> Seeing as my knowledge of Dutch is so fantastic...ally non-existent ;)

[06:49] < Rigolo> well ... then the credits should go to google to help you understand it :-)

[06:49] < vmlemon_> Yeah

[06:49] < Rigolo> but working more and more with mythtv and open-sasc-ng I get more frustrated with the whole setup ...

[06:50] < Rigolo> so I think I will just really need to start working on my python skills and see what I can come up with by using Kamaelia

[06:50] < vmlemon_> That's probably why it's called MythTV - there's no such thing as a working configuration (it only exists in fairy-tales) ;)

[06:50] *** vmlemon_ ducks

[06:50] < vmlemon_> Although I've only ever tried to configure it once, a few years ago

[06:51] < vmlemon_> So I can't really comment much

[06:51] < Rigolo> but that means writing 2 things .. one is a connection from python to FFdecsa in order to decrypt encrypted channels .. and the other is a link to a newcamd (NewCS) server to get code words from my smartcard in order to be able to decode

[06:52] < Rigolo> and then I probably also need to do something with irdeto coding etc

[06:52] < vmlemon_> Aah

[06:52] < Rigolo> so ... as you can see ... lot's of stuff ... and hardly any python experiance ;-)

[06:52] < Rigolo> welll ... it doesn not have to be ready monday :-)

[06:52] < vmlemon_> Let me guess, there's only one Open Source "reference implementation"? (To use the term extremely loosely)

[06:53] < Rigolo> well ... open-sasc-ng source code is available ... and FFdecsa is also fairly well documented

[06:53] < Rigolo> first need to see how everything should be connected .. and then take it from there

[06:54] < vmlemon_> Aah

[06:57] < Rigolo> so what are you working on?

[06:58] < vmlemon_> Not much at the moment, we've got a half-term holiday from college at the moment, although I think there's only another 2 days left

[06:58] < vmlemon_> Started a new technical wiki project not so long ago, although it hasn't had much interest yet

[06:59] < Rigolo> okee .. and are you still on a gprs link?

[06:59] < vmlemon_> And there still isn't much content, other than what's in my initial contribution

[06:59] < vmlemon_> I've got HSDPA now

[06:59] < Rigolo> and is that more stable then before?

[06:59] < vmlemon_> Yeah

[07:00] < Rigolo> do you have any data limits?

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[07:00] < vmlemon_> (With 3, although I've got one of the USB modems, and access to the 3internet APN, so I get unrestricted open Internet connectivity, at the cost of having Spanish idiots bruteforcing the password on my SSH server constantly, and idiots with infected Windows boxes trying to get into Samba)

[07:00] < vmlemon_> Hmm, not really, except for it being prepaid

[07:01] < vmlemon_> £20 gets me 3GB for 30 days, or until it expired/I used it all up (which often happens more)

[07:01] < Rigolo> well .. I assume that you have a nice firewall setup etc

[07:01] < vmlemon_> *expires

[07:01] < Rigolo> sounds like a good deal ...

[07:01] < Rigolo> I pay 10 Euro's for 128kbps and 750Mb "fair use" limit

[07:01] < vmlemon_> Ouch

[07:02] < Rigolo> that is on my mobile phone ...

[07:02] < Rigolo> I have cable at home ..

[07:02] < vmlemon_> Hmm, just iptables blocking connections on SSH and SMB ports for all hosts except one

[07:02] < vmlemon_> Aah

[07:02] < vmlemon_> Of course, dmesg gets flooded with crap that it's rejected

[07:02] < vmlemon_> Which makes it impossible to use, to discover other system state information :|

[07:03] < Rigolo> if I read the new correct then I get 50Mbit/sec in July download .. and 5 Mbit/sec upload

[07:03] < Rigolo> why does it go to dmesg?

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[07:04] < vmlemon_> Not sure why, but I haven't found a way to stop iptables from logging to it, yey

[07:04] < vmlemon_> *yet

[07:05] < vmlemon_> http://paster.dazjorz.com/?p=4404

[07:05] < vmlemon_> Has a just a tiny snippet of what I get deluged with, constantly :(

[07:05] < vmlemon_> Although I don't regret having fully open access at all, of course

[07:06] < vmlemon_> (Since I can use that to my advantage, to run web servers and stuff)

[07:06] < Rigolo> mmm never noticed that in my dmesg logs ...

[07:06] < vmlemon_> Dunno if the fact that I used FireStarter to configure it makes a difference

[07:06] < Rigolo> might be ... I run openwrt on my routers

[07:07] < vmlemon_> Although that doesn't seem to have an option to control the destination of logging

[07:07] < vmlemon_> Yeah, I'm not behind any NAT boxes/"home gateways" or anything

[07:07] < Rigolo> and I know that you can get a simple asus wl-500 router and plug in a usb hsdpa modem and get on your way :-)

[07:08] < Rigolo> okee ...

[07:08] < vmlemon_> I've seen HSDPA/GPRS routers reviewed in places, and they sound pretty nifty

[07:08] < Rigolo> mmmm need to go ... I hear some sounds upstairs so I need to start making brunch for my GF :-)

[07:08] < vmlemon_> OK

[07:08] < vmlemon_> Although other than using WEP/WPA and hiding the SSID, it sounds like a recipe for disaster when it comes to idiots hammering it for "free" Internet access/wardriving ;)

[07:09] < vmlemon_> (Since it wouldn't be free to me, if I have the shoulder the costs for their crap traffic)

[07:09] < Rigolo> well ... with openwrt you can really make it block everything except what you want

[07:09] < vmlemon_> Good point

[07:10] < vmlemon_> Still, I remember having fun setting up a phony Wi-Fi access point on my laptop that just blackholed traffic, ages ago

[07:11] < vmlemon_> (Through a load of nasty hacks, it assigned an IPv4 address using VMware Server's NAT DHCP server of all things, although the routing stuff was never configured to let traffic flow properly)

[07:12] < vmlemon_> It confused enough people into thinking that they had connectivity problems, since it was an Open/unencrypted AP, and their machines were presumably falling back on it

[07:13] < vmlemon_> Good times... It's surprising what you can do with a laptop running Linux, an Atheros Wi-Fi card, and a room with all the windows open, that directly overlooks a busy street of terraced houses ;)

[13:58] < MS-> Afternoon

[14:00] < vmlemon_> Hi MS-

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