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[07:42] < Lawouach_> grumble, KeyboardInterrupt and Axon aren't friends

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[08:43] < MS--> Lawouach: what behaviour would you expect OOI?

[08:44] < MS--> I'm guessing "DIE DIE DIE!" :-)

[08:44] < Lawouach> MS--: It seems that the scheduler doesn't trap it an escape abruptely when it happens

[08:45] < Lawouach> No I'd like "Let me clean it up and then DIE"

[08:46] < MS--> :)

[08:46] < MS--> ie it should call .stop() on all components.

[08:46] < MS--> and then shutdown

[08:46] < MS--> That is a bit nasty really isn't it

[08:47] < Lawouach> yeah but currently it makes things rather harsh as it is

[08:47] < Lawouach> I'm running a script that will create hundreds of XMPP account which I'd like to be deleted whenever the script stops or is stopped

[08:48] < Lawouach> I've banged my head at it for a couple of days now and it's almost impossible to predict what can happen on KeayboardInterrupt

[08:49] < MS--> Just trying to think where to put KeyboardInterrupt handling

[08:50] < MS--> If it happens inside a component, it's fairly obvious where to catch it

[08:50] < MS--> if it happens outside, it's less obvious

[08:50] < MS--> (ie in the scheduler)

[08:51] < Lawouach> indeed

[08:51] < Lawouach> it'd be nice if you could think about it in your refactoring :)

[08:52] < MS--> Will do

[08:52] < MS--> currently thinking about fwiw

[08:52] < Lawouach> ta :)

[08:54] < MS--> Early versions of the scheduler were designed such that instead of simply catching StopIteration and removing the component, that they would catch everything and remove the component. ie not crash

[08:54] < MS--> the system (that is)

[08:54] < MS--> That was at a much earlier stage though, when it was useful for debugging the system

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[08:55] < MS--> Naturally that was a problem with KeyboardInterrupt as well

[08:55] < MS--> so that led to the decision to simply catch StopIteration and then left I guess

[08:56] < MS--> I think we're probably getting to the stage where resilience in servers/etc is preferable over debugging - especially given it's clearer how you would insert that.

[09:44] < Lawouach__> Seems fair

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[15:49] < vmlemon_> Hi

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[18:10] < vmlemon_> Hi eikenberry

[18:10] < eikenberry> hey

[18:12] *** vmlemon_ is surprised by how buggy the Symbian Foundation Developer site is, even for an "early-look" closed beta

[18:13] *** vmlemon_ wonders what's happening with Kamaelia, these days

[18:27] *** Davbo is strugling to pick a dissertaion project

[18:29] < MS--> Davbo: "The importance of cheese in the developmental history of 3D gaming systems"

[18:29] < MS--> (bonus points if anyone gets the reference)

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[18:37] < Davbo> Did John Carmack do a bit of curdling on the side?

[18:37] *** Davbo doesn't get the reference

[18:37] < Davbo> :)

[18:52] < Davbo> looking at the list of possible projects and tempted by semantic web stuff, but it's not very "computer sciency"

[18:54] < MS--> Davbo: http://www.angusm.demon.co.uk/AGDB/DBM1/Merc.html

[18:56] < Davbo> haha, Kraft, awesome.

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