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[13:31] < vmlemon_> Hi

[13:56] < vmlemon_> Hah, interesting to read about the frozen Zune thing

[13:57] < Davbo> Yeah, just been reading that

[13:57] < Davbo> I've got an 80GB Zune and i've checked it

[13:57] < Davbo> seems fine

[13:57] < Davbo> think it's just the 30GB versions

[13:58] < Davbo> kinda weird :/ you'd expect them to have very similar firmware

[13:58] < vmlemon_> Yeah, although it's Microsoft's typical excellent quality control, for you ;)

[13:59] < vmlemon_> (Although Toshiba made/licensed out the building of the hardware, if I remember correctly)

[13:59] < Davbo> yeah, it's more of a code review problem really

[14:00] < Davbo> not to defend them but it's tough to QC a bug that occurs at a specific time ;)

[14:00] < vmlemon_> True

[14:00] < Davbo> it's one of the things you'd look for straight away if someone had programmed a clock though

[14:01] < vmlemon_> Although it's not as if New Year's Eve 2008 is going to cause a problem like the 2000 one supposedly did, or the 2038 "problem"...

[14:02] *** Davbo can't see an obvious problem with today and binary / hex / oct

[14:03] *** Davbo shrugs

[14:03] < vmlemon_> Same here

[14:03] < vmlemon_> I doubt they'd have a buffer overflow in the clock handling code, or something like that...

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[14:03] < vmlemon_> Heh

[14:05] < vmlemon_> After all, despite it presumably containing code ported from "standard" Win32, I would have expected the Windows CE time handling code to be some of the most reliable/most tested code

[14:06] < Davbo> Yeah

[14:06] < vmlemon_> Unless it's a component firmware issue

[14:06] < Davbo> they have been really good up until now too, it's a shame the whole device becomes a laughing stock when this happens

[14:07] < Davbo> i don't think Apple have been adding features to the iPod like MS have with the Zune

[14:07] < vmlemon_> The conspiracy theorists suggest it being some sort of eFuse to disable the device, so people have to buy a new Zune model ;)

[14:07] < vmlemon_> Although even I don't quite buy that one, despite not being the biggest fan of MS

[14:08] < Davbo> hehe :)

[14:08] < vmlemon_> WTF? I've just seen "grep used greatest stack depth: 1344 bytes left" in my dmesg output

[14:09] < Davbo> eh? what were you grepping?

[14:09] < vmlemon_> No idea

[14:09] < vmlemon_> Although prior to checking dmesg, I changed channels on my 802.11 card

[14:10] < vmlemon_> (Which happens to be using the buggy as Hell ath5k driver)

[14:10] < vmlemon_> I haven't called grep directly for a while, so I don't know how that could have happened

[14:13] < vmlemon_> Heh, interesting. I also got the said log spammed with "ath5k phy0: unsupported jumbo" and "ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2437MHz)" errors, after leaving my laptop on overnight, and in Wireshark I found 7 beacon and Acknowledgement packets, which is probably the most I've seen in monitor mode with this card and driver combination

[14:14] < vmlemon_> (It usually pukes and decides to stop functioning until I reboot, thanks to some bad device probing and initialisation code that's persisted against 5 nightly wireless-compat driver tarballs, and 3 versions of the Linux kernel)

[14:15] < vmlemon_> Naturally, I have another card somewhere based on a very similar Atheros chipset (might be the same, barring the MAC and PHY versions differing), and never had those problems

[14:16] < vmlemon_> Seems like a Heisenbug, for what it's worth

[14:18] < vmlemon_> Didn't know there was a PSP or PlayStation 3 around somewhere, after looking at the said WS live dumo

[14:18] < vmlemon_> *dump

[14:27] *** vmlemon_ wonders if anyone actually likes using Windows Vista...

[14:29] < Davbo> is that ath5k in the kernel?

[14:29] < Davbo> my ralink is but I still need to download some firmware to get it working

[14:29] < Davbo> which is really strange to get working

[14:31] < vmlemon_> It's been in the kernel for ages, but it's a piece of unfinished crap, as much as admire their attempts at creating a "re-engineered" version of MadWifi

[14:32] < Davbo> wireless on linux is still hocus pocus

[14:33] < vmlemon_> Meh, Bluetooth is unusable on Fedora 9 :(

[14:33] < vmlemon_> They were hyping about mesh mode support being added recently, but there's no equivalent of "multi-mode VAPs" yet, so I can't use monitor mode together with master or access point mode :(

[14:34] < vmlemon_> (I don't know if the latter is even possible yet, but I can't see anything to suggest an interface to mesh mode, and they still managed to have the lowest performing monitor mode I've seen)

[14:34] < Davbo> My brother has 808 followers on Twitter.

[14:34] < Davbo> :(

[14:34] *** Davbo feels unpopular

[14:35] < Davbo> this is his account http://twitter.com/Ackbar he got it really early when Twitter was just starting i think

[14:35] < vmlemon_> Still more than I have, although a few followed me recently, and I followed back, so it's harder for me to keep track of things with their deluge of posts

[14:36] < Davbo> i unfollowed a few recently, my brother just does "it's a trap!!" jokes on there. Quite funny though

[14:36] < vmlemon_> Heh

[14:39] < vmlemon_> Looks like the Crapcast and One Velociraptor Per Child posts are my most popular on FriendFeed, for some reason

[14:40] < vmlemon_> Davbo: His feed's a trap!? ;)

[14:40] < Davbo> this one is my favourite http://twitter.com/Ackbar/status/5570160

[14:41] < vmlemon_> Interesting that you also had a problem with iPlayer being stuck in Offline mode, for wħær

[14:42] < vmlemon_> *for what it's worth

[14:42] < vmlemon_> No idea how I managed to type that

[14:43] < Davbo> Yeah it's odd, they say it supports openSUSE 10.3 but that's quite old now, I don't see why they developed for it

[14:45] < vmlemon_> Although I'm on Fedora 10, if it make a difference...

[14:45] < vmlemon_> *makes

[14:45] < vmlemon_> Grm, I really can't type properly right now :(

[14:47] < vmlemon_> WTF? http://friendfeed.com/e/79738f9c-1345-4c9e-8ea7-bc5162712c20/Driver-fired-after-snowplow-falls-through-ice/

[14:53] < vmlemon_> Heh, http://pictures.sprintpcs.com//mmps/RECIPIENT/000_267cf9748abb1a57_1/2?inviteToken=UEBr2wYd2YPebhHoh0pk

[20:17] < vmlemon_> Hi