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[11:34] < vmlemon_> Hi

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[12:10] < vmlemon_> Hi orphans

[12:12] < orphans> morning

[12:12] < orphans> I mean afternoon - shows how much work I've done today :)

[12:15] < vmlemon_> Heh

[12:17] < vmlemon_> Ooh, "The downloaded files will be used everywhere in the admin interface, speeding up every page load, enabling you to blog at faster than the speed of light.*"

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[13:59] < vmlemon_> Hi Davbo

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[14:27] < vmlemon_> Hi Lawouach

[14:29] < Lawouach_> hi there

[14:30] < Lawouach_> meh

[14:30] < Lawouach_> I'm bored

[14:32] < vmlemon_> Meh, Christmas Eve tomorrow

[14:32] < Lawouach_> :)

[14:33] < vmlemon_> Hmm, nice - http://www.inquisitr.com/12967/man-drowns-in-lake-of-poo/

[14:34] < Lawouach_> dude, you read the inquisitr? :)

[14:34] < vmlemon_> Nah, I just see posts from it on FriendFeed occasionally

[14:35] < vmlemon_> What an awful(ly smelly) way to go

[14:38] < vmlemon_> Surprised to see that Skype works well over UMTS, as does last.fm streaming

[14:38] < vmlemon_> (The latter needs a big buffer (~6MB), but I don't have any problems after content's buffered)

[14:40] < Davbo> Hey chaps

[14:40] < Lawouach_> hi Davbo

[14:40] < vmlemon_> Davblog 2.0 (BETA? ;)) looks great, by the way

[14:41] < Davbo> thanks vmlemon_ :)

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[16:18] < vmlemon_> Hi wyleu

[16:23] < wyleu> Hi vm... do you know about pachube? http://community.pachube.com/?q=node/4

[16:23] < vmlemon_> Nope

[16:23] *** vmlemon_ looks

[16:24] < vmlemon_> Interesting

[16:24] < wyleu> seems like ,with a KAmaelia structure on top of it, you could do some very fun things.

[16:25] < vmlemon_> Some sort of Yahoo! Pipes thing? Or something totally different?

[16:25] < wyleu> I don't know Yahoo!Pipes so I couldn't comment but it works as a broadcast mechansim for streams of data.

[16:25] < vmlemon_> Aah

[16:27] < wyleu> For my measurement stuff it's right up my street, but if it could be used to pass off connections between clients then you've got the matrix to end all matrices... Lovely for passing media data between sites

[16:27] < vmlemon_> Um nice, I just got branded a troll in #amarok for merely stating a fact

[16:28] < vmlemon_> (i.e. Amarok 2.0 doesn't work "out of the box" on Fedora 10)

[16:28] < wyleu> Luckily I don't know amarok so I don't know if that's life threatening or not...

[16:28] < vmlemon_> Heh

[16:28] < vmlemon_> It's a music player app for KDE/Qt

[16:29] < wyleu> Oh yes! so it is ! I might even use it but since I've never been avle to get stable audio out of my laptop I don't listen to too much music on it...

[16:30] < vmlemon_> ALSA fun? :(

[16:32] < Lawouach> evening

[16:32] < vmlemon_> I hate that there's usually always a deluge of updates to install on a fresh installation of most Linux distributions

[16:32] < vmlemon_> There's about 600MB of the things to get right now, here

[16:37] < wyleu> Linux and audio and I have NEVER got on...

[16:38] < vmlemon_> OSS 4.0 Works for Me(TM), although your mileage may vary

[16:38] < vmlemon_> I'm using ALSA on my laptop at the moment with PulseAudio, and other than the occasional jitter under heavy load, it works well enough

[16:40] < wyleu> From the reactions to RoseGarden I think I probably need a more optomised kernel, but Unless I get called upon to play live audio from a PC into something fiscally beneficial I've not done it ...

[16:41] < vmlemon_> http://opensound.com/ if you want to give it a try

[16:41] < wyleu> Most of my audio requirements are BBC 7 via IceWeasel ( spit ) and that tends to dump after forty minutes or at especially enjoyable bits, and need a reboot to convince it to work again.

[16:42] < vmlemon_> Aah

[16:42] < vmlemon_> Ouch

[16:42] < vmlemon_> Tried the Linux iPlayer yet?

[16:42] < wyleu> No. I've used slimserver , which handled it all pretty well but, once again lifes too short, or more likely I'm too lazy.

[16:42] *** vmlemon_ installed it, but notes that it doesn't seem to function as advertised (i.e. it runs, but it's always stuck in "Offline" mode, no matter what)

[16:43] < wyleu> I reckon things might get a little more firelndly if I got off etch onto test but ....

[16:44] < vmlemon_> You're on Debian?

[16:44] < wyleu> wht does iPlayer offer?

[16:44] < wyleu> Yup

[16:44] < vmlemon_> It's just their catch-up TV and radio service

[16:44] < vmlemon_> Annoyingly, they only offer downloadable TV programs, and not radio programs, so I can't really test it properly on my connection

[16:45] < wyleu> Sorry misunderstood. I do wish the BBC would brand it with BBC in the name somewhere...

[16:45] < vmlemon_> Heh, yeah

[16:45] *** vmlemon_ sees that Amazon are offering £3 of free MP3 downloads on Christmas Day and Boxing Day with the gift code FREEMP3S, if he remembered correctly

[16:46] < vmlemon_> (They were advertising it on the site yesterday, but trying to use the code gave the error "This offer is not available yet" or something like that)

[16:47] < vmlemon_> Not sure if the offer only applies in the UK

[16:47] < wyleu> Well it's something to try between watching the Queen and casting an affectionate eye at a turkey sandwich...

[16:48] < vmlemon_> Hmm, watching the Queen eat turkey sandwiches is always an option ;)

[16:50] < wyleu> why? Does she offer webcam access?

[16:50] < vmlemon_> Dunno, I just thought I'd suggest it ;)

[16:50] < vmlemon_> Meh, Firefox is broken now until everything has updated

[16:50] < vmlemon_> Crapola

[16:50] < wyleu> What do you mean by broken...?

[16:50] < vmlemon_> At least Konqueror still works for now

[16:51] < wyleu> What dist are you running?

[16:51] < vmlemon_> Doesn't launch, since the updated version depends on some components that haven't been updated yet

[16:51] < vmlemon_> Fedora 10

[16:51] < vmlemon_> Aah

[16:51] < vmlemon_> That's interesting

[16:51] < vmlemon_> It's working again now

[16:52] < vmlemon_> Although it wants to check for add-on updates

[16:52] < wyleu> CIA probabl declared you ok......... for now ...

[16:52] < vmlemon_> Hah

[16:53] < vmlemon_> Firefox now at 3.0.5 here

[16:53] < vmlemon_> Grr, D-BUS is still D-BUSt

[16:53] < vmlemon_> At least for kbluetooth4

[16:54] < vmlemon_> Probably have to update the rest of KDE in the hope that it gets "fixed"

[16:54] < wyleu> IceWeseal 2.0.0.18 so I'm actually back in 2006.... perhaps I can make some sensible investments since I actually know what a pile of sh*t 2008 turned out to be.

[16:55] < vmlemon_> Still using a 2.0.x version on my desktop, if I remember correctly

[16:55] < vmlemon_> (2.0.15?)

[16:55] < vmlemon_> *2.0.0.15

[16:55] < wyleu> Don't hold our breath on 18 ... It slipped on un-noticed.

[16:56] < vmlemon_> Aah, I've needed to update the software on my desktop for months, but I haven't been bothered

[16:56] < vmlemon_> Not to mention that my connectivity sucks rocks through aluminium straws

[16:57] < vmlemon_> I have a 3GB "bit bucket" for UMTS at the moment, and updating just Fedora 10 on my laptop will eat a good chunk of it

[16:57] < vmlemon_> Not sure I'm up to downloading however many MBs of updates there will be, for Fedora 8

[16:58] < vmlemon_> 530MB to download

[16:58] < wyleu> I reckon we turn the INternet off for 3 months so we can all get that sort of stuff done.... Oh hold on.

[16:59] < vmlemon_> Heh

[16:59] < vmlemon_> It's being without connectivity for months that's the killer

[16:59] < vmlemon_> Linux distributions are pretty much built with the assumption that people have near-permanent connectivity these days :(

[16:59] < wyleu> ONe of the reasons I'm mcking around with measurement. I think Internet could get like uk mains was during the 3 day week

[16:59] < vmlemon_> (And "high-speed" connectivity at that)

[17:00] < vmlemon_> Yeah

[17:00] < vmlemon_> You don't realise how much you depend on it, until it's gone

[17:00] < wyleu> Indeed, when I was a student I was presented with a heating or lights choice. I chose heat.

[17:01] < wyleu> Nowadays you might get Heat,light, Internet.

[17:01] < vmlemon_> Tricky choice to make

[17:03] < vmlemon_> I'm surprised by how much data I transfer these days, doing so little

[17:04] < vmlemon_> (Mostly IRCing, downloading various files, occasionally working on Open Source projects and using social media services, for what it's worth)

[17:06] < vmlemon_> ifconfig says I've received 148.6 MiB and sent 7.9 MiB, since I've been connected...

[17:07] < vmlemon_> Although I pretty much feel under obligation to have at least some level of availability on the 'net

[17:07] < vmlemon_> (Not sure why)

[17:13] < wyleu> IT's that basic human desire to influence our surroundings.

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[17:33] *** Davbo thinks Python should have just copied Haskell and had "let" instead of "with"

[17:34] < Davbo> makes more grammatical sense to say "let this = that:" < indented block> rather than "with this as that:" < indented block>

[17:49] *** orphans thinks Java should sort out their keyboard handling - mad as a bag of ferrets

[17:50] < Davbo> hah

[17:51] < Davbo> the first years at uni use a little library which sole purpose is to abstract that rubbish away from them

[17:51] < Davbo> i still import it because i can't be bothered with streams

[17:51] < orphans> err, link?

[17:52] < orphans> :)

[17:52] < orphans> all I really want to be able to do is make something happen when I press a key, and even if I hold the key down I don't want anything else to happen

[17:53] < orphans> not an unreasonable request imo...

[17:53] < Davbo> hah, friendly event handlers

[17:55] < orphans> stupid thing fires a key release when it does key repeat, so you've got no way of knowing whether it's a fresh press or a repeat

[17:55] < Davbo> you're joking?

[17:55] < Davbo> that's stupid

[17:55] < Davbo> could ask in #java if there's a way to do that

[17:56] < orphans> there is, it involves making a timer to see how long the gap is between release and press. There's about a million bugs on the Java tracker which keep getting WONTFIX'd

[17:57] < orphans> but I can't be arsed :)

[17:57] < Davbo> haha "Java tracker" what a joke, that language is as stale as cobol

[17:59] < orphans> might be time for me to learn openframeworks

[18:00] < Davbo> that sounds pretty cool

[18:00] < Davbo> what are you working on orphans?

[18:01] < orphans> a live looper in supercollider, but I need something to control it

[18:01] < orphans> was going to hack something quickly in processing, but the key thing is a pita

[18:03] < Davbo> ah cool, live looping is awesome

[18:03] < Davbo> if it is what i think it is

[18:04] < orphans> record a loop of music, record a new loop, build a song kinda thing

[18:04] < Davbo> been to a gig where a guitarist did a "live loop" on a strumming pattern and kept doing it

[18:04] < orphans> that's the one

[18:09] < Lawouach> crap I should live in the UK? I could have gone to the Amplifier gig in Manchester a couple of weeks ago

[18:09] < Lawouach> It's such an amazing band

[18:09] < Lawouach> -?

[18:16] < Davbo> woo! you just reminded me to look at my last.fm event recommendation Lawouach

[18:17] < Davbo> Streetlight Manifesto coming to Sheffield, that will be crazy

[18:23] < Lawouach> right, I'll be in London early Jan to see some friends for a few days

[18:24] < Lawouach> happy :)

[18:24] < Lawouach> I think we need to organise a meeting in February so that I meet you all

[18:26] < Davbo> sounds good

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