[07:41] < Lawouach> morning

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[08:09] < orphans> morning all

[08:09] < Lawouach> hi orphans

[08:09] < Lawouach> how have you been?

[08:09] < orphans> not too bad thanks, but busy

[08:10] < orphans> you?

[08:10] < Lawouach> good good :)

[08:10] < Lawouach> how's the master?

[08:11] < orphans> good - I'm really enjoying it. Although I've spent the first term writing AS3 which is a bit :-s

[08:11] < Lawouach> AS3?

[08:12] < orphans> actionscript

[08:13] < Lawouach> heh :)

[08:13] < Lawouach> well I'm happy to see around again (even if only for your holiday ;))

[08:13] < orphans> has a couple of courses which expected everything done in flash

[08:13] < orphans> s/has/had

[08:14] < orphans> yeah, it's nice to have a bit of time to check in!

[08:14] < orphans> next term should be a lot less packed for me though, which is nice. I've done most of my modules this first term so have a bit more space to breathe next

[08:16] < Lawouach> cool :)

[08:19] < Lawouach> things have been steady around here :)

[08:22] < orphans> yeah? I've been reading the ML and checkins just to keep track with what was going on

[08:23] < orphans> you got much done with headstock/qt stuff?

[08:23] < Lawouach> I've been working with headstock a lot these past few weeks

[08:24] < orphans> doing something cool with it?

[08:24] < Lawouach> XMPP rocks and Kamaelia is da best for it :)

[08:24] < Lawouach> Working on something I've been discussing about for a few years: LLUP

[08:24] < Lawouach> Notification protocols based on Atom, geo localisation and period of times

[08:25] < Lawouach> it's funky :)

[08:25] < orphans> ah, that is pretty funky

[08:26] < Lawouach> :p

[08:26] < Lawouach> had any chance to code with K. or think about something cool to do with it?

[08:27] < orphans> I wish :)

[08:27] < Lawouach> :)

[08:27] < orphans> sort of had an interesting idea based-ish upon my gsoc but I have no idea whether I'll ever get time

[08:29] < orphans> basically it's just ripping out the p2p bit and making that a lot more generic, so people can say "ok, I'm sending out this osc data in this format, wanna use it"

[08:29] < orphans> then at the other end someone can say "yes" and get on with it

[08:29] < orphans> I guess that's kinda like pub/sub isn't it?

[08:30] < Lawouach> sounds like it at first sight

[08:30] < orphans> anyway, idle dreaming - I've got two essays and a portfolio for my immediate future :D

[08:31] < Lawouach> well you'll have plenty of time once you've finished your studies

[08:31] < Lawouach> not planning on going to a PhD are ya?

[08:32] < orphans> funny you say that...

[08:33] < orphans> one of my jobs for the holidays is to try and sort out who might give me money to do one :)

[08:33] < orphans> yet another academia casualty... :)

[08:33] < Lawouach> Great

[08:34] < Lawouach> It's probably one of the nicest thing to do, I sometime wish I could get on one now (a bit more mature you see ;))

[08:35] < Lawouach> A friend of min is doing a PhD on AI in London, he's broke but loves his time :)

[08:35] < orphans> heh. yeah, it sounds really nice to me to have all this time where you basically get to study something you love

[08:36] < orphans> slash hate by the end of it

[08:37] < Lawouach> :p

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[09:42] < vmlemon_> Hi

[10:17] *** vmlemon_ is setting up his new laptop

[10:22] < vmlemon_> Woot, not only is the Wi-Fi Atheros-based, but Fedora 10 detected it immediately

[10:22] < vmlemon_> Nice

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[14:46] < Davbo> Hey chaps

[14:47] < vmlemon_> Wow, installing Amarok 2 on Fedora 10 was painful

[14:48] < vmlemon_> Since I couldn't figure out how to add the install DVD to the system repositories, I ended up slavishly installing RPMs by hand

[14:49] < vmlemon_> (Most of the time was just trying the "shotgun approach" in the hope that after 'rpm -i'-ing enough stuff in /media/Fedora 10 i386 DVD/Packages with wildcards, something would install

[14:49] < vmlemon_> )

[14:50] < Lawouach> ouch

[14:50] < Lawouach> hi Davbo

[14:50] < vmlemon_> Wasn't worth the hype either

[14:51] < vmlemon_> Since it wouldn't actally play any of the files I added, or actually add them to the playlis

[14:51] < vmlemon_> *playlist

[14:51] < vmlemon_> Still, I've got RealPlayer for the time being, which works well enough

[14:51] < Davbo> not in yum vmlemon_?

[14:51] < Lawouach> vmlemon_: have you tried songbird then?

[14:52] < vmlemon_> Nah, it kept insisting on using web-based repositories :(

[14:52] < vmlemon_> (Naturally, that machine didn't have an Internet connection)

[14:52] < Davbo> oh i see

[14:52] < Davbo> frustrating

[14:53] < vmlemon_> Might try KDE4, assuming that I actually installed it correctly

[14:53] < vmlemon_> (I'm stuck in GNOME at the moment)

[14:54] *** vmlemon_ wants Synaptic

[14:55] < vmlemon_> Despite being designed for Debian-based systems, it's probably one of the better tools for handling RPM-based Linuxes, in my opinion...

[14:58] < vmlemon_> Meh, I wondered why I couldn't unmount the SD card I was using, until I remembered that I was playing something off it in RP

[15:02] < Davbo> is it a holiday reunion? :) hey orphans, just noticed you

[15:03] < Davbo> pacman is my favourite package manager vmlemon_

[15:03] < Davbo> so fast

[15:06] < vmlemon_> http://picasaweb.google.com/tyson.key/MiscStuff?feat=directlink#5282284251775598402 - screenshot of the said package management "fun"

[15:08] < orphans> Davbo, hi!

[15:09] < vmlemon_> Hi orphans

[15:09] < orphans> yup, holidays have given me a bit of free(-ish) time

[15:09] < orphans> hi vmlemon_

[15:10] < Davbo> you can write code for python3k with 2.6 right? it gives you warnings or something?

[15:11] *** vmlemon_ has just remembered that he ought to install Kamaelia on it

[15:14] < vmlemon_> Heh, "Are you ready to Amarok?" (so the splash screen says)

[15:14] *** vmlemon_ answers "No! Because it doesn't actually work!" ;)

[15:21] < Davbo> what's not working?

[15:23] < vmlemon_> It doesn't actually load files into the playlist

[15:23] < vmlemon_> No matter which way I try

[15:27] < Davbo> got mysql installed?

[15:28] < Davbo> although you should be able to load to playlist without going through collections

[15:28] < vmlemon_> I've got Embedded and standard installed

[15:28] < Davbo> hmm, odd

[15:29] *** vmlemon_ wanted to like Amarok 2, but is sorely disappointed :(

[15:31] < vmlemon_> It feels like a broken toy

[15:40] < Davbo> are you using KDE4 vmlemon_

[15:41] < vmlemon_> On my laptop at the moment, I am

[15:41] < vmlemon_> Since it's included in place of 3.5.x in Fedora 10

[15:41] < Davbo> wooo!

[15:42] *** Davbo has the new iplayer desktop working (Adobe Air)

[15:42] < vmlemon_> Cool

[15:43] *** Davbo spoke too soon :(

[15:44] < vmlemon_> It's vapour? ;)

[15:47] < Davbo> seems to think that it's offline

[15:47] < Lawouach> http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/about_iplayer/overseas_bbc < -- gonna need a proxy in Britain someday

[15:48] < vmlemon_> Hmm, "However, BBC Worldwide is working on an international version, which we will make available as soon as we can and will make an announcement nearer the time."

[15:49] *** vmlemon_ thinks that means that they're not actually working on anything at all ;)

[15:52] < Lawouach> :p

[16:00] *** Davbo grumbles

[16:06] < Davbo> Twhirl works

[16:06] < Davbo> so why does the iplayer think it's offline

[16:08] < Davbo> where's MS when you want to moan to him about a project that he's not working on

[16:08] < vmlemon_> Heh

[16:09] < vmlemon_> Serves them right for not building it with Kamaelia ;)

[16:10] < vmlemon_> Going to try something with my connection, back in a moment

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[16:34] < vmlemon_1> Hi again

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[16:35] < vmlemon_> Meh, I can't get Bluetooth to work properly :(

[17:43] < Davbo> vmlemon_: did I mention that i'd gone back to Amarok 1.4 a week or so ago

[17:44] < Davbo> Amarok 2 doesn't detect 1/2 my music collection and there's nothing i can do about it

[17:44] < Davbo> I can't be bothered to reorder it just for amarok too

[17:44] < Davbo> and i don't like the pointless space in the middle

[17:50] < vmlemon_> Aah

[17:50] < vmlemon_> I think I'll probably install Amarok 1.4.x here

[17:52] < vmlemon_> Meh, I need to install a ton of audio and video codecs in order to be able to play stuff :(

[17:53] < vmlemon_> I like Fedora, but one of the annoying things is that only the Ogg formats, and WAVE at a push can be played "out of the box"

[17:53] < vmlemon_> Stupid software patents

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[18:49] < davbop> svn update being so slow

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