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[09:17] < Lawouach> evening

[09:17] < Lawouach> a bit early for that

[09:17] < Lawouach> morning :)

[09:18] < Lawouach> damn I'm not yet awake :)

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[12:24] < vmlemon_> Hi

[12:24] < Chong-> afternoon vmlemon_ and others.

[12:25] < vmlemon_> Wow, only 5 days, how time flies

[12:28] < Chong-> yes. the same feeling

[12:30] < vmlemon_> Back in a sec

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[12:33] < vmlemon_> Hi again

[12:36] < Chong-> hi

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[13:14] < vmlemon_> Hi Davbo

[13:21] < Lawouach> hi boys

[13:26] < Chong-> hi Lawouach and Davbo

[13:30] < vmlemon_> Haha, [14:58] < wbits> unix is religion. people will be a slave to religion. therefor you get free employees.

[13:35] < Chong-> That's interesting. Now the question is that it is a good religion or not :-)

[13:36] < vmlemon_> Heh, good question, I just saw that in the OpenSolaris channel

[13:37] < vmlemon_> [15:09] < jamesd> so you think opensolaris is just something they are doing to have a legacy after it dies? Sun is dead and we are leaving "OpenSolaris" as something to remember us by.

[13:37] < Chong-> it's interesting

[14:00] < vmlemon_> Um, I bet that was a nice early Christmas present from the BBC - http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=rawpaste&p=3699 :(

[14:01] < vmlemon_> Didn't they learn anything from the knitting fiasco?

[14:16] < Chong-> I'm surprised that how many controversies BBC has made

[14:17] < Chong-> especially considering it is a nonprofitable org

[14:18] < vmlemon_> I can understand them wanting to protect their brand, but doing that (i.e. staying in "submarine mode" for about 3 years) makes me wonder

[14:22] < vmlemon_> "No good deed goes unpunished." said the first commenter on FriendFeed, after I posted the URL...

[14:29] < Chong-> yes. and they should concentrate on something more important, say the program control and the fake lottery

[14:30] < vmlemon_> Heh

[14:30] < vmlemon_> The Blue Peter Problem?

[14:31] < vmlemon_> I don't know why, but I want to like the BBC, but every time one part of them does something positive, another part pulls some stupid manoeuvre like this

[14:31] < vmlemon_> For shame

[14:33] *** vmlemon_ doubts the left hand knows what the right hand is doing, these days

[14:43] < Chong-> it's understandable considering it's such a big org

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[15:36] < vmlemon_> Hah, http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1069025&cid=26182523

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[18:43] *** vmlemon_ wonders who'll make the first Kamaelia-related post in http://friendfeed.com/rooms/python ;)

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[18:45] < vmlemon_> Hi rigolo

[18:45] < rigolo> good evening

[18:46] < rigolo> how are things here?

[18:46] < vmlemon_> OK

[18:46] < rigolo> godo to hear ...

[18:46] < rigolo> good also

[18:46] *** vmlemon_ is just lamenting the lack of Kamaelia-related stuff on FriendFeed

[18:47] *** rigolo is busy updating he resume

[18:47] < vmlemon_> Cool

[18:47] < rigolo> working for a bank these days is not a good thing ...

[18:48] *** rigolo works for an MVNO in the .nl owned by bank .. and they cut 50% of the workforce

[18:48] < vmlemon_> Aah

[18:48] < vmlemon_> I didn't know you worked for a bank

[18:48] < rigolo> so if you know any job openings in .nl :-) .. then let me know :-)

[18:49] < rigolo> well ... I work in telecom .. and am a IT Project manager for a MVNO

[18:49] < vmlemon_> Heh, someone in another open source project I'm involved with, who lives in France at the moment was planning on moving to the Netherlands

[18:49] < rigolo> and that MVNO is unique because it is owned by a bank, in order to kick start mobile banking

[18:49] < vmlemon_> Aah

[18:49] < vmlemon_> I was just going to ask why a bank would be operating an MVNO

[18:50] < rigolo> well, there are still jobs out there .. (got 3 offers already) .. so not to bad

[18:50] < vmlemon_> (Extracting more money from users, more quickly comes to mind ;))

[18:50] < vmlemon_> An overdraft on your pre-paid phone service? ;)

[18:51] < rigolo> actually you can do complete mobile banking from your mobile phone. Make transfers, account inquries etc etc

[18:51] < vmlemon_> "Earn interest on your SMSes (unless they're really, really boring)"

[18:52] < rigolo> you get free mobile service for 1 year if you open an account with them (limited to 75 free minutes a month)

[18:52] < vmlemon_> Sounds good

[18:52] < rigolo> normally you pay 15 Euro's for that ..

[18:53] < rigolo> but I was just stopping by to see how thing are .. (and to test IRC from pidgin :-) )

[18:54] < vmlemon_> It seemed a little clunky initially, when I tried it

[18:54] < rigolo> look ok to mee

[18:54] < rigolo> just configure an account, connect and there you are :-)

[18:54] < rigolo> or .. here I am .. is better :-)

[18:55] < vmlemon_> Although adding rooms as "contacts" and then marking them as "recurring" or something like that makes sense after a while

[18:55] < vmlemon_> Account set-up is OK though

[18:55] < vmlemon_> Just seems a slightly different mentality, compared to Konversation

[18:55] < vmlemon_> although it has the oh-so-useful feature of not crashing when you minimise the window ;)

[18:56] < rigolo> less crashing is always handy ..

[18:56] < rigolo> and why are you double here btw :-)

[18:57] < vmlemon_> The other me is actually an irssi session running under screen on a Xen partition I share

[18:57] < rigolo> okee ....

[18:57] < vmlemon_> Although it's just there as a convenience for when I'm not online (I collect the logs later)

[18:57] < rigolo> well ... kamlogs are enough for that :-)

[18:58] < vmlemon_> True, although kamlogbot's specific to this channel :(

[18:58] < rigolo> but .. have to go .. 21:30 and somebody is still behind his PC ... bedtime for him is already past :-)

[18:59] < vmlemon_> Aah

[18:59] < vmlemon_> Meh, only 5 days until Christmas

[19:15] < vmlemon_> Ooh, "All of our employees are running around, pulling levers, turning knobs, and flipping switches to create your account and search engine. Isn't this exciting?!?"

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