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[08:43] < vmlemon_> Hi

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[09:38] < MS-> greetings

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[10:01] < Lawouach> heya

[10:01] < Lawouach> MS-: thanks for the extensive reply the other day :)

[10:01] < Lawouach> I agree with your overall statements :)

[10:01] < Lawouach> -s

[10:02] < Lawouach> I've been considering it and it could indeed be very interesting to enroll the same team of students (or students who've participated before) but with projects more geared towards Kamaelia's core

[10:07] < MS-> That struck me as interesting/useful

[10:08] < MS-> Also, I really liked Dave's comment - which gets to the heart of things really as well

[10:08] < Lawouach> indeed

[10:08] < MS-> (his tweet that I retweeted)

[10:09] < Lawouach> Talking about money, I haven't sent anything too Google yet. Looking at the procedure gives me headache

[10:10] < MS-> heh. I *know* the feeling.

[10:10] < MS-> Gets insanely complex if I try to do it of course - to the extent of the finance people saying "oh, please, just go away" :)

[10:11] < Lawouach> :)

[10:12] < vmlemon_> Hi MS-

[10:34] < MS-> vmlemon_: Hiya

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[10:40] < vmlemon_> Hmm, I doubt that http://www.exitreality.com/index.html will take off any time soon. I thought people gave up on installing weird proprietary plug-ins to view VRML-based content

[10:52] < vmlemon_> Yay, my Fedora 10 DVD just arrived

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[12:26] < vmlemon_> Hi Davbo

[12:29] *** Davbo is testing metalinks and aria2c

[12:29] < Davbo> Hey vmlemon_

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[16:21] < vmlemon_> WTF? http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2008/12/burger-king-uses-twitter-to-send-cease-desist-notice.html

[16:46] < MS-> They want it their way?

[16:46] < vmlemon_> Hah

[16:46] *** vmlemon_ wasn't expecting that one ;)

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[22:29] < MS-> evening

[22:31] < vmlemon_> Hi MS-

[22:31] < vmlemon_> Heh, http://friendfeed.com/e/d7ce43e6-36ba-4701-ab56-2b0e90e798cb/A-Math-Quiz/

[22:31] < MS-> will be away from connectivity for the next few days. (well, away from using it practically speaking that is :) )

[22:31] < MS-> not quite the same thing :)

[22:31] *** MS- looks at link

[22:33] < vmlemon_> WTF? http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles/a237_wtc3.jpg

[22:34] *** vmlemon_ never thought he'd see ad extolling the virtues of asbestos, of all things

[22:34] < MS-> That's an old ad clearly

[22:34] < vmlemon_> Yeah

[22:35] < aa_> odd too

[22:35] < vmlemon_> 1981, so the page I found it on claims

[22:35] < MS-> Does this mean that new york was clouded with asbestos dust?

[22:35] < MS-> That stuff isn't really that good for you really

[22:35] < vmlemon_> Hmm, that's a very good question

[22:36] < MS-> Mind you, neither is a plane hitting a building and the building landing on you

[22:37] < aa_> chronic asbestos is bad...

[22:37] < aa_> but single exposures are not that evil

[22:37] < aa_> I'd prefer a single shot to say um... radiation, or um... arsenic

[22:37] < MS-> Ah, I see

[22:37] < aa_> or even anthrax

[22:38] < aa_> lungs do a weird thing with asbestos

[22:38] < vmlemon_> Ugh, I remember a couple of years ago when the anthrax non-event scare happened

[22:38] < vmlemon_> My grand-dad ended up taping his windows up, even though nothing ever came

[22:39] < aa_> yeah, didn't it turn out to be some non-bin-laden-related nutcase?

[22:39] < MS-> aa_: No idea

[22:39] < vmlemon_> Something like that

[22:39] < vmlemon_> All that happened is that they did a test case on a field of sheep, if I remember correctly

[22:40] < vmlemon_> Wasn't even on the mainland

[22:40] < vmlemon_> Feel free to correct me on that though, since my memory is pretty rusty

[22:43] < vmlemon_> Heh nice, I didn't know that anthrax was found was found under certain conditions on diseased sheep and cattle, so Google reckons

[22:43] < vmlemon_> I doubt it'd do anything without actively attempting to find it and extract it, though

[22:44] < vmlemon_> Anyone tried the Linux iPlayer?

[22:44] < aa_> not me

[22:45] < aa_> I just use the nice flash thing

[22:45] < vmlemon_> Aah

[22:45] *** vmlemon_ was surprised to see that Flash Player worked for him on Opera earlier, without crashing

[22:45] < vmlemon_> No idea why it always crashes Firefox, though

[22:45] < aa_> works fine here

[22:45] < aa_> (TM)

[22:46] < vmlemon_> Which version?

[22:46] < MS-> Linux iPlayer doesn't work for me, works for Matt.

[22:46] < aa_> 3.something?

[22:46] < aa_> 3.03

[22:46] < aa_> 3.0.3

[22:46] < vmlemon_> Aah

[22:46] < MS-> the normal streaming flash works good enough for me

[22:46] < vmlemon_> I was referring to Flash Player version

[22:47] < aa_> it's good enough to watch Merlin ;)

[22:47] < aa_> really useful is iphone iplayer

[22:49] < MS-> I don't watch merlin on principle that it's not about merlin, or arthur at all

[22:49] < MS-> and they're just writing their own fantasy series and co-opting well known names

[22:49] < vmlemon_> It seemed to have taken a while for the DiYPlayers to arrive

[22:49] < MS-> also, having seen bits of an episide is seems pretty crap

[22:50] < vmlemon_> Considering I thought we would have seen one earlier

[22:52] < vmlemon_> Hmm, out of interest, is the Kamaelia copyright header template covered under any specific terms?

[22:52] < vmlemon_> (I was thinking of reusing it with some project-specific changes for something)

[22:53] < vmlemon_> Or at least using it as the base for a header for something else

[22:57] < MS-> vmlemon_: Feel free to reuse. IMO that comes under "good practice" rather than "worrying about licensing" really :)

[22:57] < vmlemon_> Aah

[22:58] < vmlemon_> I ended up pulling the bit off about the AUTHORs file, if I remember correctly, and rearranged an existing header on some modified code to fit, for what it's worth...

[22:59] < vmlemon_> A bit hacky, but the Kamaelia approach seemed sensible to me, as opposed to cluttering the file up by providing a huge list of names

[23:06] < MS-> I can't remember where I saw the approach myself btw

[23:07] < MS-> It certainly simplifies things *alot* though

[23:07] < vmlemon_> I ought to restructure the said implementation, since it's somewhat of a compromise, and it's only applied to modified files right now

[23:08] < vmlemon_> Doesn't help that at least 2 or 3 different licenses are used in different files, either