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[10:24] < Lawouach> http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/12/14/a-few-corrections-to-on-packaging/

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[17:27] < Lawouach> evening

[18:05] < Davbo> Hey Lawouach

[18:05] < Lawouach> hi there

[18:05] *** Davbo is writing a parser in Haskell

[18:06] < Davbo> ...good times :(

[18:06] < Davbo> how are you Lawouach?

[18:08] < Lawouach> doing good

[18:08] < Lawouach> actually doing really good these days

[18:08] < Lawouach> just putting Madagascar on TV

[18:09] < Lawouach> is your parser for your class?

[18:28] < Davbo> yep, got to do a parser and syntax analyser in Haskell

[18:29] *** Davbo wanted to use PLY

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[18:56] < Davbo> glad to hear you're doing well, Lawouach :)

[18:56] < Lawouach> :)

[18:57] < Lawouach> I see MS is set to watch Doctor Who

[18:57] < Lawouach> It seems to be such a big show in the UK

[18:58] < aa_> doctor who is just Great British Television

[18:58] < aa_> it's an institution

[18:59] < aa_> (hi everyone)

[18:59] < Lawouach> I remember watching one

[19:00] < Lawouach> where there were statues which were like alive or something

[19:00] < Lawouach> and once they laid eye on you you could just disappear or something

[19:00] < Lawouach> I have no idea what it was all about :)

[19:02] < aa_> hah, that was a 2-part episode

[19:02] < aa_> a very good one, iirc

[19:03] < Lawouach> it was entertaining

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[19:40] < Davbo> hah, my ex had nightmares for weeks after that episode, "blink" iirc

[19:41] < Davbo> MS-, was the creepy statue episode of Doctor Who called "Blink"?

[19:44] < MS-> yep

[19:45] < MS-> That was a pretty well thought out story IMO

[19:47] < aa_> see everyone loves The Doctor

[19:47] < MS-> aa_: Except Davbo - he's a heathen

[19:47] < MS-> :-)

[19:47] < aa_> he just uses it to keep his ex awake at night

[19:48] < Davbo> hahah

[19:48] *** MS- reads back log & sees some context

[19:48] < MS-> :)

[19:48] < MS-> twas the first part of the sontaron one fwiw

[19:48] < MS-> :)

[19:48] < MS-> (the recent sontaron one that is rather than any of the others)

[19:49] *** Davbo feels like a TV snob whenever people talk about Doctor Who

[19:49] < aa_> oh wait, we have a single episode at crimbo right

[19:50] < aa_> or new year or something

[19:50] < MS-> Christmas

[19:51] < aa_> sweet

[19:51] < MS-> 9 days, 20 hours, 27 minutes & 45 seconds

[19:51] < aa_> ahaha

[19:51] < aa_> the christmas ones are never that good

[19:51] < MS-> (according to the website :) )

[19:51] < aa_> I hope we meet that woman again who is like his future companion or something

[19:51] < MS-> Oh I don't know I liked them. But then I'm easily pleased

[19:51] < MS-> Oh, he's definitely meeting someone who does his head in

[19:51] < MS-> That much we know ... :)

[19:51] < aa_> MS-: maybe you have some insider scoops!

[19:52] < aa_> seriously, are we supposed to have worked out who she is?

[19:52] < MS-> Me, insider scoops. hehehehe

[19:52] < aa_> just wander down the corridor and knock on some doors!

[19:52] < MS-> That'd be funny. I avoid spoilers, even if I could get hold of them :)

[19:53] < MS-> Cardiff is a bit of a walk

[19:53] < aa_> here, take the tardis

[19:53] < MS-> I'd be stuck watching the next 10 seasons if that happened :)

[19:53] < MS-> < /optimist>

[19:53] < aa_> :)

[19:53] < aa_> my wife is not british. I try to explain flying telephone boxes to her, she hates me.

[19:55] < MS-> The phone box is just a physical manifestation of the mathematical model of the edge of the time/space interface, or something according to the story logopolis

[19:55] < MS-> (which was on UK Drama recently)

[19:55] < MS-> < /excuse>

[19:55] < aa_> yeah, I try to tell her that, and she hates me even more

[19:57] < MS-> Apparently they wanted the tardis to be invisible originally - ie you'd never see the tardis, and so that's where the idea of the shape changing came from

[19:57] < MS-> KInda helps that when I was growing up there was a real Police Box outside Woolworths

[19:57] < aa_> and now, no poilce box...and no woolworths!

[19:58] < MS-> indeed :/

[20:03] < Davbo> there's a police box on my way to university

[20:03] < Davbo> don't think there are many about now though

[20:03] < Davbo> not the prettiest thing though is it: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1292/757211340_f0eddbcabb.jpg

[20:44] < Davbo> is PubSub a particular implementation or could you say Backplane is PubSub?

[20:47] < MS-> pubsub is a concept

[20:47] < MS-> atom pubsub is a particular concept/implementation

[20:47] < MS-> a backplane is also pub/sub

[20:47] < MS-> would be be my take

[20:47] < MS-> Mind you they call concepts patterns these days

[20:47] < MS-> So officially it's a thing that you can use to sell a book

[20:48] < MS-> *ahem*

[20:54] < Lawouach> lol

[20:54] < Lawouach> I'm using Backplanes in a specific context:

[20:54] < Lawouach> 1. When I have several interested consumers of a given box

[20:55] < Lawouach> 2. Those consumers aren't directly linked to each other

[20:55] < Lawouach> It's like a portal :)

[20:55] < Lawouach> Except the data you push ends up in several places at once :)

[20:56] < Lawouach> But from the sender point of views those receivers are opaque

[20:57] < Lawouach> One example of it is with XMPP, when you are connected the server sends you back the full jabber ID your session is connected with

[20:57] < Lawouach> Now most other XMPP components are interested in that value to communicate appropriately with the server

[20:57] < Lawouach> But I wouldn't hard link each of those components to a "jid" box

[20:58] < Lawouach> Instead I'm using a backplane to push the jid to anyone who's listening for it

[21:01] < Lawouach> anyway off to bed

[21:03] < MS-> sleep well :)

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[21:05] < Davbo> thanks chaps