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[06:59] < Lawouach_> morning

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[13:45] *** MS- notes the bug report from last night

[13:45] < MS-> Probably ought to add in an error message regarding that (specifically one stating what the code requirement is)

[13:45] *** MS- ponders

[13:46] < MS-> could also give the opportunity to easy_install dependencies not found at run time

[13:46] < MS-> Mind you that would scare me witless as a sys admin (since it's a clear attack vector

[13:47] < MS-> Though you could take the ubuntu route of saying "to fix this, install this, by doing this"

[14:16] < Lawouach_> Can't you easy_install without installing required dependencies?

[14:16] < Lawouach_> as a command line parameter

[14:16] < Lawouach_> so that you keep control over what you must install

[14:17] < MS-> No idea to be honest

[14:17] < MS-> I do like the idea of finding a nice way of dealing with the dependencies we need to pull in

[14:18] < MS-> And this is a nice relatively simple contained example

[14:19] < Lawouach_> --no-deps

[14:42] < MS-> That could work

[14:43] < MS-> maybe

[14:43] < MS-> I'd still have a fit though (with a sys admin hat on)

[14:52] < Lawouach_> Mind you, you could remove the dependency list from the setup module altogether

[14:52] < Lawouach_> And simply document them

[14:56] < MS-> At present we don't encode any dependencies at all and just document them.

[14:57] < MS-> I'm more thinking about how to make errors more meaningful

[14:57] < MS-> eg typing this in ubuntu

[14:57] < MS-> michaels@r44116:~$ figlet hello

[14:57] < MS-> on a system without it installed gives this:

[14:57] < MS-> The program 'figlet' can be found in the following packages:

[14:57] < MS-> * figlet

[14:57] < MS-> * toilet

[14:57] < MS-> Try: sudo apt-get install < selected package>

[14:57] < MS-> -bash: figlet: command not found

[14:58] < MS-> Which is really quite novel

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[14:59] < Lawouach_> What are you suggesting?

[14:59] < Lawouach_> I don't quite follow you here

[15:03] < MS-> Oh I was starting off from just having more meaningful errors really

[15:03] < MS-> from Kamaelia.Support.Optimised.Video.PixFormatConvert import rgbi_to_yuv420p # RGB_interleaved to YUV420_planar ImportError: No module named Optimised.Video.PixFormatConvert

[15:03] < MS-> is rather unclear really

[15:03] < MS-> But I know that's because a different kamaelia support module (which uses pyrex) hasn't been installed

[15:03] < MS-> because it's not part of the core distro

[15:04] < MS-> Also, the file

[15:04] < MS-> from Kamaelia.Video.PixFormatConversion import ToRGB_interleaved

[15:04] < MS-> which is earlier in the traceback will be aware of this

[15:16] < Lawouach_> Right

[15:16] < Lawouach_> all you can really do is list all the direct dependencies to Kamaelia

[15:17] < Lawouach_> you cannot really list n+1 degree dependency

[15:18] < MS-> Indeed.

[15:18] < MS-> That's as far as I was thinking of going really

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[16:54] < Lawouach> back

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