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[06:41] < vmlemon_> Hi

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[09:28] < vmlemon_> kamlogbot: dance

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[15:08] < vmlemon_> Hi Davbo

[15:13] < Davbo> Hey vmlemon_

[15:13] *** Davbo managed to get Amarok 2 working

[15:13] < vmlemon_> Cool

[15:13] < vmlemon_> Any good?

[15:13] < Davbo> Got an email today from someone who saw my bug on the KDE bug tracker saying he had same problem

[15:14] < Davbo> I love it when the open source community actually works

[15:15] < Davbo> glad it still has a great interface, looks very pluggable too

[15:15] < Davbo> Qt4 looks damn good

[15:16] < vmlemon_> Krashy? ;)

[15:16] < vmlemon_> Or is it stable?

[15:18] < Uraeus> Davbo: your definition of open source community working is that more people than you experience bugs? :)

[15:19] < Davbo> Hah Uraeus :-)

[15:20] < vmlemon_> Hmm, "The winners will be the families who, in the opinion of the judges, most closely epitomise a happy family baking together..." - will they accept a photo of kids attacking each other with boxes of Corn Flakes? ;)

[15:21] < Davbo> can't say wether it's stable or not yet vmlemon_

[15:22] < Uraeus> vmlemon_: think you need to do tell your kids that they should be pretend you are filming a sequel to 'Sound of Music' and that you are doing a Christmas gingerbread house baking scene if you want to win that :)

[15:23] < vmlemon_> Heh

[15:23] < vmlemon_> Natch, it has to involve using Kellogg's cereal, according to the T&Cs on the box (just noticed earlier)...

[15:24] < vmlemon_> I'm sure someone could cheat if they wanted to, though

[15:25] < vmlemon_> (Just shove a sticker on the box of the competing cereal product) ;)

[15:25] < Uraeus> vmlemon_: decorate the gingerbread house with Kellogg's cereal

[15:26] < vmlemon_> Aah

[15:26] < vmlemon_> and the left over hair that they've pulled out, after attacking each other? ;)

[15:26] < Uraeus> 'daddy! daddy! why don't we pour milk on the gingerbread house and count the snap crackle and pops!' < - sure winner

[15:26] < vmlemon_> Haha

[15:27] < vmlemon_> Coco Pops with added potassium? ;)

[15:27] < vmlemon_> ("Snap, Crackle, Pop and Bang!")

[15:27] *** vmlemon_ almost typed "Crapple"...

[15:28] < vmlemon_> Hah, "Sometimes getting hit with spammers is an indicator that you've "made it" ;)"

[15:29] < Davbo> or an indicator that you have a hotmail account

[15:29] < vmlemon_> Hah

[15:30] < vmlemon_> Or a Yahoo! Mail account, for what it's worth - they're huge spam magnets from what I've seen

[15:31] < Davbo> I only use Yahoo for an openid

[15:31] *** vmlemon_ sees that his FB Connect test comments on TechCrunch finally got added this morning, even though he posted them yesterday

[15:31] < Davbo> s/Yahoo/Yahoo! ;-)

[15:32] < vmlemon_> Heh, I used their OpenID service for the first time today

[15:32] < vmlemon_> I think I probably only use Flickr and del.icio.us, as far as their services go

[15:32] < vmlemon_> Although someone else in the household has one of their Spam Magnet Mail(TM) accounts

[15:33] < vmlemon_> I wonder what the big complaint about Google's OpenID service was...

[15:33] < Davbo> YUI is nice too

[15:33] < Davbo> thats the only other Yahoo! thing i think I've used

[15:34] < Davbo> very nicely documented IIRC

[15:34] < vmlemon_> BSD-licensed?

[15:34] < Davbo> yep

[15:35] < Davbo> seems pointless not opensourcing it really lol

[15:35] < Davbo> proprietary JavaScript? ;)

[15:35] < vmlemon_> Hah

[15:36] < vmlemon_> If I remember correctly, the source code for VBulletin actually states "This is NOT Free Software" or something like that

[15:38] *** vmlemon_ wonders if anyone actually used Starling outside of Twitter (an Open Source "light weight server for reliable distributed message passing" so the blurb says)

[15:38] < vmlemon_> o.O "Starling is "slow" as far as messaging systems are concerned. In practice, it's fast enough."

[15:38] < vmlemon_> Are they saying that it's slow? Or that it's not?

[15:40] < vmlemon_> Appears to be written in Ruby

[15:41] < vmlemon_> Uses MemCache, too

[15:41] < Davbo> makes sense, twitter is rails afterall

[15:42] < vmlemon_> It looks a little too minimal...

[15:42] < vmlemon_> Not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing, or if I'm just not looking at the right source files

[15:43] < vmlemon_> Last version was 0.9.8, but I don't know if they're still working on it

[15:45] *** vmlemon_ recalls them open-sourcing part of the Reddit codebase ages ago, but has heard nothing about it since

[15:46] < vmlemon_> Wow, a PHP extension that depends on Firefox components...

[15:46] < vmlemon_> I'm not too sure how they managed to figure that one out

[15:47] < vmlemon_> or why you'd want Firefox installed on a web server

[15:51] < vmlemon_> So... "The FBML parser is based on the parser used in Firefox, which is licensed under the MPL." They say they have patches that are applied to version 2.0.0.4 of Firefox, and ask the user to download a Firefox source code tarball...

[15:56] *** vmlemon_ wonders why the hell Orange Safeguard now blocks Digg, when it didn't before, but for some reason doesn't block a multitude of web forums

[15:58] < Davbo> kamlogbot: dance

[15:58] Reply: does the macarena

[15:59] < vmlemon_> Hah, http://code.reddit.com/chrome/common/fixxit.png

[16:05] < vmlemon_> http://torrentfreak.com/firefox-pirates-take-over-amazon-081203/

[16:06] < Davbo> Oh I saw that yesterday, really don't see the use for that plugin

[16:15] < vmlemon_> kamlogbot: boo

[16:15] Reply: Nice try, but that didn't scare me

[16:24] *** vmlemon_ wonders who'd pay to download Luminotes, when they provide the source code for free

[16:27] < vmlemon_> Unless there's some Secret Sauce® in the paid version

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[16:43] < Lawouach> evening boys

[16:49] < Davbo> Hey Lawouach, hows things?

[16:50] < Lawouach> good good

[16:50] < Lawouach> and to answer your question, nope I don't have a G1

[16:50] < Lawouach> I'm gonna try out through the android emulator :)

[16:50] < Davbo> cool

[16:51] < Davbo> I need to download that

[16:51] < Davbo> its a plugin for eclipse right?

[16:51] *** Davbo wants an Android phone

[16:51] < Davbo> probably not the G1, but somewhere down the line

[16:51] < Davbo> Maybe G4 or G5 ;-)

[16:52] < vmlemon_> Hi Lawouach

[16:54] < Davbo> £540 over 18 months for the G1

[16:57] *** vmlemon_ is trying out MS's new weird Plaxo clone thing...

[16:57] < vmlemon_> No idea how to describe it, and it doesn't even have a name from what I can tell

[16:59] < Lawouach> Davbo: fuck that's expensive

[16:59] < Lawouach> and yeah it's an eclipse's plugin

[16:59] < vmlemon_> Anyone seen the Nokia N97?

[17:00] < Davbo> it was £650 over 18months a couple of weeks ago

[17:00] < Lawouach> vmlemon_: not yet

[17:00] < Davbo> come down from £35 a month to £30

[17:02] < Davbo> it any cheaper over there Lawouach?

[17:03] < Lawouach> don't realy know

[17:04] < Lawouach> I haven't actually checked

[17:21] < Davbo> Lawouach: you seen WebFaction already have Python 3.0 installed?

[17:28] < Lawouach> dunno

[17:28] < Lawouach> i haven't checked

[17:30] < vmlemon_> Hah, "Don't worry, we won't tell if you ignore them."

[17:48] *** Davbo has a ton of work to do for tomorrow :-(

[17:48] < Davbo> am only annoyed because it's not even enjoyable work (java)

[17:49] < Davbo> well Java can be fun, but not when you combine it with the web :-)

[17:50] < vmlemon_> What a surprise, it's as "reliable" as Microsoft's other products

[17:51] < vmlemon_> (i.e. it gives "Runtime Errors" and barfs out randomly whilst trying to use certain features, not to mention the awful user-unfriendly profile URLs)

[18:10] < Davbo> Hah! 2 of my friends have had a massive argument on facebook over the presence of the army on our university campus (try to recruit etc)

[18:10] < Davbo> funny how people can get extremely idealistic for a few years

[18:17] *** vmlemon_ sees that the new "Windows Live networks" feature is a typical example of a "high-quality" Microsoft product - unfriendly and unmemorable profile URLs (like http://cid-f175017133d78630.profile.live.com/), lots of "Runtime Error" and "Not Found" pages, and extreme slowness, not to mention needing to sign-in practically every other time I manipulate my account ;)

[18:18] < vmlemon_> I only ended up trying it out because someone mentioned it on FriendFeed, and it had quite a lot of comments

[18:18] < vmlemon_> Reminds me of why I don't use Microsoft's web products, though

[18:18] < vmlemon_> (They're always half-baked)

[18:35] < Lawouach> http://blog.webfaction.com/python-3-0-is-here < -- so indeed they have

[18:35] < Lawouach> uh uh I wrote the blog engine Remi's using :p

[18:35] < Lawouach> though it's all statiquely cached

[18:37] < vmlemon_> Cool

[18:39] < Davbo> it's a good publicity move on their part

[18:39] < Davbo> speaks to the audience they're after

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[19:02] < vmlemon_> Haha, http://www.isthisstupid.com/articles/129/make-sure-pesky-houseguests-get-the-message

[19:11] < Lawouach> uh uh watching a documentary about Prince Charles

[19:12] < Lawouach> I deeply believe the British Royal family is a true rock n'roll bunch

[19:18] < davbop> Prince Charles is a total nutcase

[19:19] < davbop> it's a good job nobody pays attention to him, otherwise we'd all be dying from using alternative medicines

[19:19] < vmlemon_> Heh

[19:21] < Lawouach> the dude had style

[19:21] < Lawouach> you guys are doomed to find the next King :)

[19:22] < davbop> I doubt he'll be the next King anyway

[19:22] < davbop> not that it makes much difference

[19:23] < vmlemon_> Pah, who cares about the royal family, anyway?

[19:23] < davbop> precisely

[19:23] < Lawouach> I do for they have such a punk attitude to everything

[19:24] < Lawouach> I mean, they just don't care :)

[19:24] < vmlemon_> The celebrity family for the SAGA Crowd ;)

[19:24] < davbop> Hah vmlemon_!

[19:24] < davbop> :-)

[19:25] < vmlemon_> Argh, I'm starting to hate "MyBlogLog"'s annoying "Whoa there! This will delete all your updates from this service from New with Me" JavaScript pop-ups

[19:25] < vmlemon_> when adding new usernames

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[19:26] < davbop> Opera 10 is looking good

[19:26] < vmlemon_> Cool

[19:27] < davbop> gonna wait for beta though, don't have time for an Alpha browser

[19:27] < vmlemon_> I saw that they've finally rolled out IE7 at college this week

[19:27] < vmlemon_> (They first deployed it across the machines in the library, and now it's everywhere)

[19:28] < vmlemon_> Shame they never solved the ZENworks FUBARness with bookmarks handling though

[19:28] < davbop> was using CentOS5 at uni today, totally broken and unusable

[19:28] < davbop> crashed like 4 times

[19:28] < vmlemon_> (They get erased at log-out, since the registry contents get reset at each log-in)

[19:28] < vmlemon_> Ugh

[19:28] < vmlemon_> Hah, "To get the full MyBlogLog experience, complete these steps and achieve profile zen."

[19:29] *** vmlemon_ is not feeling zen with it...

[19:29] *** davbop is procrastinating

[19:29] *** davbop goes back to work

[19:29] < vmlemon_> I ended up having today off, since the bus never arrived this morning

[19:29] < vmlemon_> Damned snow

[19:30] *** vmlemon_ despises the stuff

[19:31] < vmlemon_> Am I the only one still using Firefox 2.x here?

[19:31] < vmlemon_> (2.0.0.10)

[19:32] < vmlemon_> Hmm, http://industry.bnet.com/advertising/1000398/twitter-ad-revenue-plan-revealed-not-impressive-so-far/

[19:34] < vmlemon_> Ugh

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[22:36] < vmlemon_> kamlogbot: ecky

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