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[09:54] < Lawouach> morning

[09:54] < Lawouach> There we go

[09:55] < Lawouach> I've moved to WordPress http://www.defuze.org/

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[10:26] < MS-> greetings

[10:27] < vmlemon_> Hi

[10:32] *** MS- changed the topic to 0.6.0 Is out! | 0.7.0 - FROZEN: http://tinyurl.com/5a23kj , planned release 28th-30th November | http://www.kamaelia.org/Home | Don't forget you can ask questions on the mailing list as well | Don't ask to ask, just ask | channel logs are here: http://www.kamaelia.org/logs/ (start a line with [off] to not be logged)

[10:32] < MS-> Frozen /trunk as per plan

[10:32] < MS-> Contents of release much less than hoped, but sticking with plan of releasing regularly

[10:33] < MS-> Exception to the freeze will be merge of anything on Matt's DVB-C fixes branch

[10:37] < Lawouach> trying to get some coding done today

[10:37] < Lawouach> damn I've been sick for the past few days

[10:37] < Lawouach> feeling down

[10:55] < MS-> I'm sorry to hear that :-(

[10:58] < Lawouach> thanks

[10:58] < Lawouach> In a few days I'll be alright :)

[11:01] < Lawouach> anyway

[11:01] < Lawouach> word press is a rather enjoyable blog platform

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[11:28] < vmlemon_> Lawouach: Sure you haven't caught http://twitter.com/kevinscold at all? ;)

[11:35] < Lawouach> people have too much imagination :)

[11:37] < vmlemon_> Heh

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[12:43] < vmlemon_> Hmm, "rockstar template is now following you on Twitter!" and "buzzable is now following you on Twitter!"

[12:53] < Lawouach> damn "Ghinzu - Do you read me" is such a good song!

[12:56] < vmlemon_> What does it sound like?

[13:00] < vmlemon_> Hah, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/21/more_hp_packaging/

[13:48] *** Lawouach wonders why we discuss more easily on twitter than here

[13:48] *** vmlemon_ also wonders why we have more "out-of-band" conversations too ;)

[13:49] < vmlemon_> Probably just depends on what's in focus at the time - Twitter, or the IRC client...

[13:50] < Lawouach> Perhaps but I have a feeling there is more to it.

[13:55] < Lawouach> my website is back

[13:56] < vmlemon_> Yay

[13:56] < Lawouach> I like the new layout

[13:57] < vmlemon_> How did the blog tool conversion go, out of interest?

[13:57] < vmlemon_> (Other than it being harder than expected)

[13:57] < Lawouach> well it took a long time

[13:57] < Lawouach> basically I imported my RSS feed into WP

[13:57] < Lawouach> Then I had to manually edit each entry to redo the links, bullet list, etc.

[13:58] < Lawouach> So it was just boring

[13:58] < Lawouach> The feed URLs are also different so I had to contact all the feed aggregators to update them

[14:01] *** vmlemon_ notes that he doesn't blog as often as he'd like to...

[14:01] < vmlemon_> (Although I did blog quite a lot ages ago, at one point)

[14:02] < Lawouach> blogging is hard

[14:04] < vmlemon_> I used to use forums a great deal too, although I ended up changing my "service mix" quite a bit as of late

[14:07] *** Lawouach watching Star Wars V

[14:08] < Lawouach> quote: laught it up fuzz ball

[14:08] < Lawouach> -t

[14:08] < aa_> Lawouach: hmm, doesn't start until 16:25 in my ITV region

[14:08] < Lawouach> do they air it today?

[14:08] < aa_> Lawouach: yeah

[14:09] < Lawouach> ah ah

[14:09] < Lawouach> what a coincidence then

[14:09] < aa_> V is empire strikes back, right?

[14:09] < Lawouach> I'm watching it from a dvd

[14:09] < aa_> hah!

[14:09] < Lawouach> yes

[14:09] < vmlemon_> Hi aa_

[14:09] < Lawouach> I need my quaterly dose of Star Wars

[14:09] < aa_> yeah, see, you are in psychic tune with the ITV controllers

[14:09] < aa_> vmlemon_: 'ello mate

[14:10] < Lawouach> :)

[14:10] < vmlemon_> I consider myself an early adopter of technology, but I never used IRC at all until about 2006, and only started using Twitter and Facebook over the last 2 months (although I rarely use the latter)

[14:10] < Lawouach> careful, might air some more controversial movies later on then :)

[14:10] < vmlemon_> Still, I managed to avoid MySpace all this time, and I'm glad of it

[14:10] < vmlemon_> ;)

[14:10] < Lawouach> I've deactivated my facebook long ago

[14:10] < Lawouach> I enjoy twitter

[14:11] < Lawouach> I haven't registered to MySpace either but I do use it to discover new bands

[14:11] < vmlemon_> I think I vowed that I wouldn't give in to the hype somehow, although I eventually caved after testing it for a bit

[14:12] < vmlemon_> Although it's somewhat interesting, and becomes a time sink

[14:12] < Lawouach> It is :)

[14:12] < Lawouach> But blogging was similar at first

[14:13] < vmlemon_> I already use FriendFeed heavily, and I only signed up about 2 weeks ago or so

[14:15] < aa_> I kinda stopped on IRC

[14:15] < aa_> I think IM is an abomination :)

[14:15] < Lawouach> I haven't yet found how to use FriendFeed in an enjoyable way

[14:16] < vmlemon_> Heh, I rarely use IM services

[14:16] < vmlemon_> Although I have a ton of accounts amongst each of them

[14:17] < vmlemon_> (I have about 4 contacts on Windows Live Messenger (although some spill onto Google Talk) and 3 on Google Talk)

[14:17] < vmlemon_> *5

[14:17] < vmlemon_> (on Google Talk, having checked)

[14:22] *** Rigolo is enjoying the view of falling snow outside of his window

[14:22] < Rigolo> good afternoon btw

[14:23] < vmlemon_> No snow here, thankfully

[14:23] < vmlemon_> Although it's absolutely freezing, and our heating's kaput :(

[14:24] < Rigolo> well, let try to determine the 452125343435435476886786687465324684648646496768464646887696464343555 digit of Pi

[14:24] < Rigolo> that would heat up your CPU enough to warm the house

[14:24] < vmlemon_> Heh

[14:25] *** Rigolo is looking for a router that can handle 200Mbit wan to lan transfers

[14:25] < vmlemon_> Anyone else tried SearchWiki?

[14:25] < Rigolo> and it should also run linux :-)

[14:25] < vmlemon_> Hmm, "You are currently using 153 MB (2%) of your 7266 MB."

[14:25] *** Lawouach will be in London early Jan for a few days seeing some friends. Hope it won't be snowy

[14:25] < Rigolo> you mean these new google things in your search results

[14:25] < vmlemon_> Yes

[14:25] < Lawouach> I've driven on A roads in the UK while it was snowing

[14:25] < Lawouach> It wasn't fun.

[14:26] *** vmlemon_ would hate to see how long an IMAP download would take with his mailbox ;)

[14:26] < Rigolo> vmlemon_: a day or 6 I guess :-)

[14:27] < vmlemon_> I'd probably never get it done, with my shonky connectivity

[14:30] < Rigolo> MS-: what would you like me to do/test to have the DVB-C branch included?

[14:35] < MS-> Rigolo: It would just be really useful to have confirmation of what does/doesn't work

[14:35] < MS-> My understanding that it does generally work

[14:35] < MS-> However, a short example that you've used would be useful - even if the difference is just tuning parameters

[14:35] < MS-> (from a cookie cutter perspective :) )

[14:36] < MS-> Many thanks for asking btw :)

[14:36] < Rigolo> it does work ... the most important changes are already in the mainline trunk, in Matt's branch are only updates to service descriptions not much else

[14:37] < Rigolo> I will see if I can create a DVB-C version of some of the DVB examples

[14:37] < Rigolo> Do you want me to post them to the mailing list?

[14:37] < aa_> MS-: I want to write a command server

[14:37] < Rigolo> (and they will be tested with FTA only ....)

[14:38] < aa_> MS-: hi, by the way

[14:38] < MS-> Rigolo: That would be great

[14:38] < MS-> :-)

[14:38] < aa_> MS-: the server will spawn processes that run python functions and call back the result at a later, asynchronous time

[14:38] < MS-> aa_: cool :)

[14:39] < Rigolo> MS-: what is the deadline? today? :-)

[14:40] < MS-> Release is next weekend, but I'm being realistic giving a week for release notes, examples and tidying

[14:40] < aa_> MS-: I am wondering if kamaelia is what I want. There are requirements. 1. controllable over dbus, 2. non GIL-bound

[14:40] < MS-> so this sort of thing falls into the category of tidying

[14:40] < vmlemon_> You could make some Kamaelia D-BUS components

[14:40] < vmlemon_> that would be interesting

[14:40] < MS-> vmlemon_: It would

[14:40] < aa_> yes, it would

[14:40] < aa_> and it would be almost easy I think :)

[14:41] < MS-> aa_: Using kamaelia or bits of kamaelia would probably be useful/make life easier

[14:41] < vmlemon_> Don't they already have Python bindings?

[14:41] < aa_> you might have to write some kind of dbus loop for it

[14:41] < MS-> vmlemon_: I believe there is

[14:41] < vmlemon_> (So it'd be a case of trying to "Kamaeliafy" them)

[14:41] < aa_> yes, there are python bindings

[14:41] < aa_> they are pretty good too, right down to decorators for @expose_this_method(interface='foo')

[14:42] < vmlemon_> Hah, "We are very proud to offer you this beta so that you can become familiar with the last Music Management software you'll ever need."

[14:42] < MS-> I think if you can describe the mechanics clearly, writing the code should be fair simply I would guess

[14:44] < MS-> OK, I have to go wrap a box

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[18:04] < vmlemon_> Coming dangerously close to my 600th Twitter update ;)

[18:07] < Rigolo> things only get scarry when they reach 665 :-)

[18:14] < vmlemon_> Hah

[18:15] < vmlemon_> Hmm, http://www.google.com/google-d-s/holiday08.html

[18:16] < vmlemon_> Rigolo: That's when Satan drives all the Twittizens away? ;)

[18:16] < Rigolo> I hope so .....

[18:16] < vmlemon_> *Santa? ;)

[18:17] *** vmlemon_ is drinking ChocolaTea (hot chocolate with a little hint of tea) ;)

[18:18] < vmlemon_> Hah, http://socialnetworkingrehab.blogspot.com/2007_12_01_archive.html

[18:25] < vmlemon_> Damn, I don't think I should have used a /me in the #amarok channel now

[18:26] < Rigolo> why not

[18:26] < Rigolo> ?

[18:26] < vmlemon_> (Since the channel bot is set to autopost them to Twitter if you've linked your account)

[18:26] < Rigolo> LOL

[18:26] < vmlemon_> So my 600th post says "almost" ;)

[18:27] < Rigolo> well .. that is true ... almost 665 :-)

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[19:53] *** vmlemon_ tries Notifixio.us

[19:55] < vmlemon_> Seems like the initial user experience is clunky when adding a subscription for the first time, without having the Notifixio.us bot in the Google Talk contacts list

[19:56] < vmlemon_> (I had to add the start a chat with the "user", and then add it to my list using Pidgin) :|

[19:58] < vmlemon_> More of a Google Talk quirk, though

[19:59] < Lawouach> hah

[19:59] < Lawouach> you've tried notifixio.us

[19:59] < vmlemon_> Just thought I'd test the widget on your blog

[20:00] < Lawouach> I'm interested in what they're building because it's a field where I've worked quie a lot in the past 3 years

[20:00] < Lawouach> http://groups.google.com/group/notifixious-developers-community/browse_thread/thread/f879d7871c31baab

[20:01] < vmlemon_> Heh, I love how it's impossible to validate my account on Shazam right now (it says "check back later!" "Sadly we have had to 'pause' access whilst we make some necessary updates. Check back in with us in while to signup so you can enjoy all of the neat features of Shazam Community!.")

[20:01] < vmlemon_> It's been like that for 3 days now

[20:05] < vmlemon_> I'm still wondering, "What the Hell is FreeBase?" after seeing it mentioned in numerous places...

[20:06] < Lawouach> it's a structured web-semantic ready database service

[20:06] < Lawouach> Now, does it mean anything? Probably not

[20:06] < Lawouach> Which means, it does mean anything :)

[20:07] < vmlemon_> Aah, like Google Base, but not quite?

[20:07] < vmlemon_> (Or whatever they were calling it)

[20:07] < Lawouach> don't recall Google Base

[20:08] < Lawouach> but then again they are tons of Google services I've never heard of

[20:08] < vmlemon_> I doubt Knol is similar

[20:08] < Lawouach> ah Knol

[20:08] < Lawouach> does it work at all?

[20:08] < vmlemon_> No idea

[20:08] < vmlemon_> I've visited the homepage twice

[20:08] < vmlemon_> But never actually used it

[20:09] < vmlemon_> Hmm, http://www.google.com/base

[20:09] < vmlemon_> (It says next to nothing about what it actually does though - big killer)

[20:12] < Lawouach> Google is bad at that

[20:13] < vmlemon_> Hah, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-384020.html

[20:13] < vmlemon_> "Freebase: Kind of like Google Base, but it actually works"

[20:13] < Lawouach> :p

[20:15] *** vmlemon_ wonders when FoeFeed is going to arrive ;)

[20:16] < vmlemon_> No idea what use it would serve, other than being the anti-FriendFeed

[20:18] < Lawouach> probably would be more useful

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