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[09:23] < MS-> morning

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[10:29] < Rigolo> good morning MS-

[10:29] < Rigolo> :-)

[10:29] < Rigolo> I think that good morning is still valid for 3 minutes where you are

[10:29] < MS-> Morning

[10:29] < Rigolo> Good afternoon MS- :-)

[10:30] < MS-> How's things?

[10:30] < Rigolo> Well ... did you see my kamaelia page?

[10:30] < Rigolo> rigolo.googlepages.com/kamaelia

[10:31] < Rigolo> there I documented how I installed Kamaelia with DVB support

[10:31] < MS-> I haven't - looking

[10:31] < MS-> Fantastic - very much appreciated :)

[10:32] < Rigolo> I was reading throug the dvb examples .. and then I noticed something that drew my attention

[10:32] < Rigolo> in the TransportStreamDemuxer.py

[10:33] < Rigolo> there it says: For more than one channel the DVB_Demuxer doesn't seem to be realtime.

[10:33] < Rigolo> is that still true?

[10:34] < MS-> I'm not sure

[10:35] < MS-> IIRC we do have a version written using Pyrex as well

[10:35] < MS-> which is an option if it isn't

[10:35] < Rigolo> okee .. then I am going to test that (without the pyrex version)

[10:36] < Rigolo> I have my softcam working with one stream .. so I wanted to adjust thatexample for a single DVB-C transport streeam

[10:36] < Rigolo> and then see if I can record all channels that I can see on that stream to seperate files

[10:36] < Rigolo> the Macro.py is also doing multiple channels on one transport right?

[10:45] < Rigolo> just noticed an "mistake" in my installation instructions .. Axon was not compiled :-)

[10:51] < MS-> Macro.py can be used to do that, yes

[10:51] < MS-> Depending on CPU availability

[10:51] < MS-> That said, if you just dump the content to disk, rather than transode, that should be more interesting

[10:52] < Rigolo> yes, that is my plan ... so dump the raw mpeg streams to disk

[10:52] < Rigolo> that is also a good test for my softcam .. i it likes multiple channels

[10:53] < Rigolo> btw .. how do I specify what dvb card to use? now it defaults to adapter0 ... should I included that in my feparams?

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[12:05] < vmlemon_> Hi

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[15:19] < vmlemon_> Hi

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[15:42] < vmlemon_> kamlogbot: ecky

[15:42] Reply: Ptang!

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[16:10] < vmlemon_> Hi Lawouach

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[18:06] < Lawouach> evening

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[20:11] < vmlemon_> Hi Rigolo

[20:11] < Rigolo> and going to work again on multiple streams from one transport

[20:11] < Rigolo> hee vmlemon_

[20:12] < vmlemon_> You've also got TS files with data from several networks?

[20:12] < vmlemon_> Or is it something else?

[20:12] < Rigolo> had some connection issues I noticed?

[20:12] < vmlemon_> Me?

[20:12] < vmlemon_> (Although that somewhat goes against what most implementations are designed for)

[20:13] < Rigolo> no, I want to see if I can record multiple channels from a single transport stream ... directly as they come in. So not from a full transportstream capture file

[20:13] < vmlemon_> Aah

[20:13] < vmlemon_> Just specify several PIDs

[20:13] < vmlemon_> instead of just one

[20:13] < vmlemon_> Worked fine for me

[20:14] < vmlemon_> Although I can't remember the exact syntax

[20:14] < Rigolo> I know .. but it needs to also work with my softcam :-)

[20:14] < vmlemon_> Aah

[20:14] < vmlemon_> What does the traffic/dump look like without SoftCAM decryption, out of interest?

[20:14] < Rigolo> no idea ... never looked at that ...

[20:15] < Rigolo> what do you mean exactly?

[20:15] < vmlemon_> With something like dvbsnoop

[20:15] < vmlemon_> (Doing a dump whilst tuned without the SoftCAM, and with it)

[20:15] < vmlemon_> Although you end up getting deluged with data

[20:16] < Rigolo> well, dvbsnoop will probably show the same details I think with and without ...

[20:16] < vmlemon_> and trying hold open the frontend and run several apps off the tuned multiplex is a PITA

[20:16] < vmlemon_> Aah

[20:17] < vmlemon_> There was an Encryption flag, if I remember correctly

[20:18] < Rigolo> vmlemon_: well, that is why I try not to use mutliple apps ... but do it all from kamaelia

[20:18] < Rigolo> :-)

[20:19] < vmlemon_> Aah

[20:19] < vmlemon_> I used to just dump and tune with Kamaelia, and hope for a decent utility for dissecting the resulting TS

[20:20] < vmlemon_> (dvbsnoop is awful when you have more than 100MB of data in a file, and the only other option I've found is TSReader Lite (a crippled version of a Windows app) running under Wine) :(

[20:20] < Rigolo> and .. as a softcam I use open-sasc-ng .. that creates a dvbloopback dvb adapter with decrypted streams :-)

[20:20] < vmlemon_> Cool

[20:21] < Rigolo> vmlemon_: and ... you can use kamaelia to do that disecting for you ...

[20:22] < vmlemon_> Not sure if it'll handle the Interesting Bits(TM) like MHEG-5 carousels and DVB Subtitles at present, though :(

[20:23] < Rigolo> why not? if it has a PID it should be able to spit it out I guess

[20:24] < Rigolo> did you have a look at this example ... (let me look for it ...)

[20:25] < vmlemon_> I know it'll handle the PIDs/raw data, but I don't know there's code for making sense of the said data

[20:25] < vmlemon_> for doing stuff like converting the subtitles to text (they're graphics) or extracting files from MHEG-5 carousels

[20:25] < vmlemon_> There was a tool for doing the latter, but it was fussy and needed to be used in conjunction with a tuned in app

[20:25] < vmlemon_> Can you throw over a small (20MB compressed maximum) DVB-C TS to have a poke at?

[20:25] < vmlemon_> (Just out of interest, since I've only seen -T and -S stuff)

[20:25] < Rigolo> well .. I can remember something on the mailing list about that subtitle conversion ...

[20:26] < Rigolo> no problem ... I will do that in a moment ..

[20:26] < vmlemon_> Thanks

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[20:30] < vmlemon_> Hi Uraeus

[20:30] < Uraeus> hi there

[20:32] < vmlemon_> o.O http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/06/tomy-xiao-digital-camera-has-built-in-zink-printer-the-spirit-o/

[21:07] < Rigolo> mmmm can not even get a single stream recorded via my virtual dvb adapter

[21:07] < vmlemon_> Ugh

[21:07] < Rigolo> an FTA channel works via the virtual adapter and Kamaelia ..

[21:07] < vmlemon_> Can't you get something out of the real one?

[21:07] < Rigolo> FTA from the real one works also

[21:09] < Rigolo> well ... If it do a czap -r < channel> and then a cat /dev/dev/adapter4/dvr0 >> channel.mpeg on the virtual I get a perfect stream capture

[21:09] < Rigolo> do the virtual adapter does work ...

[21:09] < Rigolo> do = so

[21:09] < vmlemon_> Aah

[21:09] < vmlemon_> No whole network PID dumping?

[21:10] < Rigolo> well ... first try simple things ...

[21:18] < Rigolo> http://rigolo.googlepages.com/DVB-C-RecordChannel-NL1.txt

[21:19] < Rigolo> that is the script that I use for the FTA channel

[21:19] < Rigolo> http://rigolo.googlepages.com/DVB-C-RecordChannel-NL2.txt

[21:19] < Rigolo> and that is the encrypted one ... but it is not encrypted on the virtual adapter

[21:20] < vmlemon_> Aah

[21:21] < Rigolo> so no real difference between them ...

[21:22] < Rigolo> so somehow Kamaelia does something different than czap :-)

[21:22] < vmlemon_> Hah, http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/oct/21/religion-advertising

[21:22] < Rigolo> and I do not have my hardware CAM anymore .....

[21:22] < vmlemon_> Aah

[21:24] < Rigolo> mmm browsing the kamaelia code on google code does not work :-)

[21:26] < Rigolo> okee ... work for an other day ...

[21:26] < Rigolo> diving into the depths of Kamaelia to find what is happening here :-)

[21:27] < Rigolo> for those that are reading the logs ...

[21:27] < vmlemon_> Into the heart of the cat? ;)

[21:27] < Rigolo> Are there documented success with encrypted channels and Kamaelia?

[21:28] < vmlemon_> I haven't heard anything about it