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[11:24] < MS-> afternoon

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[11:57] < MS-> I now have my GSOC t-shirt

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[12:08] < mhrd> "been there, got the t-shirt"

[12:49] *** MS- nods

[12:50] < mhrd> MS-: wrt failing test_Graphline.py ... I'm guessing the simplest solution is to stop using the unittest method calls not supported in python 2.3 ?

[12:50] < MS-> yep

[12:50] < elvum> surely stopping using python 2.3 would be easier (for mhrd) ;-)

[12:50] < mhrd> (or to put in an implementation of them :-) )

[12:50] < MS-> elvum: No, 2.3 is supported

[12:50] < MS-> I can make the change

[12:50] < mhrd> MS- : k

[12:51] < elvum> stopping supporting 2.3?

[12:51] < MS-> elvum: which is the easiest option for 2.3

[12:51] < elvum> :-)

[12:51] < MS-> elvum I like python 2.2.LATE

[12:51] < MS-> since it works on my mobile

[12:52] < MS-> besides it's an easy change to go from

[12:52] < MS-> self.assertFalse(child.anyReady())

[12:52] < MS-> to

[12:53] < MS-> self.assert_(not(child.anyReady()))

[12:55] < MS-> hah

[12:57] < MS-> ooh, odd

[12:57] < MS-> there's actually more errors matt :)

[12:57] < mhrd> cool :)

[12:58] < MS-> Traceback (most recent call last):

[12:58] < MS-> File "./test_Graphline.py", line 478, in test_receivesShutdownDisseminated

[12:58] < MS-> self.assert_(A.dataReady("control"))

[12:58] < MS-> File "/usr/lib/python2.3/unittest.py", line 278, in failUnless

[12:58] < MS-> if not expr: raise self.failureException, msg

[12:58] < MS-> AssertionError

[12:58] < MS-> Is an odd one

[12:59] < MS-> Oh no it's doing the right thing

[12:59] < MS-> it's saying that the assertion is failing rather than unittest being bust

[12:59] *** mhrd concurrs

[12:59] < MS-> how odd

[12:59] < MS-> will have to come back to :)

[13:00] < MS-> (not checked in - thought would be trivial and surprisingly isn't)

[13:01] < mhrd> how are you running it?

[13:01] < MS-> ./test_Graphline.py

[13:01] < mhrd> on bbc.kamaelia.org ?

[13:01] *** MS- nods

[13:02] < mhrd> installed Axon on bbc.kamaelia.org may be old

[13:02] < MS-> possibly

[13:02] < MS-> I'll fiddle

[13:02] < mhrd> when auto-doc-gen runs teh test suite, it prepends a SVN checkout to the python path

[13:02] < mhrd> (svn checkout of axon)

[13:02] < mhrd> (and kamaelia)

[13:02] < mhrd> (or something like that)

[13:03] < MS-> Nopem it's not that - just tried it in /home/michaels/kamaelia.googlecode.com/trunk/Code/Python/T

[13:03] < MS-> which has:

[13:03] < MS-> michaels@kamaelia:~/kamaelia.googlecode.com/trunk/Code/Python/T> ls

[13:03] < MS-> Axon Kamaelia

[13:04] < MS-> michaels@kamaelia:~/kamaelia.googlecode.com/trunk/Code/Python/T> (cd Axon; svn info|grep http); (cd Kamaelia; svn info|grep http)

[13:04] < MS-> URL: https://kamaelia.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/Code/Python/Axon/Axon

[13:04] < MS-> URL: https://kamaelia.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/Code/Python/Kamaelia/Kamaelia

[13:04] < MS-> so some other interesting foible

[13:04] < MS-> I'll worry about it

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[13:29] < mhrd> k

[13:29] < mhrd> suggestion: check in existing fixes, and see what happens at 4am

[13:29] < mhrd> :)

[13:30] < vmlemon_> Hi

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[13:31] < mhrd> vmlemon_: greetings

[13:31] < vmlemon_> Hi mhrd and davbop

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[13:51] < vmlemon_> Hmm, anyone know how big the current Kamaelia SVN trunk is, before I check it out?

[13:51] Reply: Hm?

[13:51] < vmlemon_> kamlogbot: poke

[13:51] Reply: Not the eye! Not the eye!

[13:51] < vmlemon_> Oh, just missed it ;)

[14:14] < mhrd> the entire of trunk (including Sketches etc) is 150 megs

[14:14] < mhrd> just trunk/Code (ie. Axon and Kamaelia) is 34 megs

[14:14] < mhrd> (ran "du -hs" over my working copy)

[14:15] < vmlemon_> Aah, thanks

[14:15] < vmlemon_> Hah,

[14:15] < vmlemon_> [15:42] < Jake> Yeah... kids have too much money anyway

[14:15] < vmlemon_> [15:42] < Jake> Or some kind of "Adopt a BBC employee" scheme

[14:15] < vmlemon_> [15:42] < vmlemon> Do you get a photo postcard and a letter? ;)

[14:15] < vmlemon_> [15:42] < vmlemon> (Just like the "Adopt-a-Panda" at zoos)

[14:15] < vmlemon_> [15:42] < Jake> Oh yes, regular updates via twitter too

[14:15] < mhrd> heh. I believe yammer is the current fad :-)

[14:16] < vmlemon_> (Current discussion in #glow on BSIRC is a phony charity event entitled "BBC in Need" aimed at raising money for the annual Christmas part)

[14:16] < vmlemon_> *party

[14:17] < mhrd> heh ... *who* is getting an xmas party (I'm pretty sure we're not!) :-)

[14:17] < mhrd> ?

[14:17] < mhrd> (or is that the point?)

[14:17] < vmlemon_> Not sure

[14:20] < vmlemon_> http://paster.dazjorz.com/?p=3612 is the start of it

[14:22] < vmlemon_> [15:50] < Frances> i'm a mistreated CSD. I'd like to be adopted.

[14:23] < vmlemon_> [15:50] < vmlemon> *sobs*

[14:23] < vmlemon_> [15:50] * Frances wastes away.

[14:23] < vmlemon_> [15:51] < Frances> for only £5 a week, you'll keep me in smarties and coffee.

[14:23] < mhrd> heh

[14:25] *** vmlemon_ wonders what "mh" and "thls" are

[14:26] < mhrd> context?

[14:26] < vmlemon_> Buildings?

[14:26] < vmlemon_> BBC hostnames

[14:26] < mhrd> mh is probably "maidenhead" ... part of our internet ops is based out of there

[14:27] < vmlemon_> Moroccan Hideout? ;)

[14:27] < vmlemon_> Aah

[14:27] < mhrd> thls is probably "TeleHouse < something>"

[14:30] < vmlemon_> [15:56] < gaz-laptop> I'm arranging a Christmas party get-together - but it seems best to keep it all off the record. Hence, it'll probably end up with bundles of us swamping a big pub

[14:30] < vmlemon_> [15:56] < Frances> yay.

[14:30] < vmlemon_> [15:56] < Frances> i'll come!

[14:30] < vmlemon_> [15:56] * vmlemon hands Frances a Smarties muffin and a cup of Starbucks ;)

[14:30] < vmlemon_> [15:56] * Frances likes vmlemon

[14:30] < vmlemon_> [15:57] < Jake> Hmm, Smarties

[14:30] *** vmlemon_ doubts they're planning it for R&I ;)

[14:30] *** mhrd afk for a bit (meetings)

[14:34] < MS-> "mhrd: heh ... *who* is getting an xmas party (I'm pretty sure we're not!) :-)"

[14:34] < MS-> Didn't Jonathan Ross donate us 3 months wages for that purpose ?

[14:34] < MS-> I'd hate to think it was in vain

[14:34] < vmlemon_> Hah

[14:34] < MS-> And just went on eastenders or something :-)

[14:34] < MS-> See, I'm good at wishful thinking me

[14:37] < vmlemon_> Anyone tried http://socialgraph-resources.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/samples/findyours.html?

[14:37] < vmlemon_> Gave surprising results when I tested it with just 5 URls

[14:37] < vmlemon_> *URLs

[14:41] < MS-> I had a look but didn't get anything I personally found interesting out of it

[14:42] < vmlemon_> Probably depends on how many links you have to various things

[14:42] < vmlemon_> Might be interesting to plug the API into a Kamaelia visualiser though

[14:44] < vmlemon_> [16:07] < Jake> If Ross's wages went on my christmas party...... cirrhosis

[14:52] < MS-> right, i'm off again, back later

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[16:48] < vmlemon_> Ooh, Qt for Symbian OS/S60... Wouldn't have saw that coming

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[18:03] < MS-> evening

[18:03] < vmlemon_> Hi MS-

[19:15] < MS-> odd, testing with python2.3 works on this other machine

[19:27] < Davbo> Hey MS-, my K-Nearest-Neighbor in Python got a first, lecturer (who doesn't know Python) said she understood my code more than the Java ones (she also gives advanced java lectures lol)

[19:28] < Davbo> thought you might like to know I got to use some Python

[19:28] < Davbo> should make this text processing a doddle too

[19:29] < Davbo> will have my reg-ex mug handy for when I'm doing that ;-)

[19:30] < vmlemon_> No Kamaelia yet? ;)

[19:31] < Davbo> one step at a time :-)

[19:35] *** vmlemon_ wonders how the Profilactic folks managed to make such a bloated/"top-heavy" with JavaScript site...

[19:35] < vmlemon_> (It hangs Firefox here for about 30-40 seconds periodically)

[20:20] < MS-> Did you know that when a hollowed out pumpkin which is carved with a face in a warm room collapses in on itself, starts to rot and ooze really icky liquid ?

[20:20] < MS-> I certainly didn't !

[20:20] < MS-> But I do now

[20:20] < MS-> :-/

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