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[12:12] *** MS- notes with surprise that posh - http://poshmodule.sourceforge.net/ - still compiles cleanly and still works

[12:14] < aa_> MS-: but you are on what, redhat 6.1 ?

[12:19] < MS-> open suse 10.3

[12:19] < MS-> ~> python -V

[12:19] < MS-> Python 2.5.1

[12:20] < MS-> ~> gcc -v 2>&1|tail -1

[12:20] < MS-> gcc version 4.2.1 (SUSE Linux)

[12:21] < MS-> Really quite surprising. Wondering what the limitations are :)

[12:22] *** MS- has to fix easy_install-ability first though

[12:22] < MS-> Didn't know about the broken links on the site either

[12:25] < MS-> crikey, the chandler project finally hit version 1.0

[12:25] < MS-> over a month ago

[12:26] < MS-> 40MB(!)

[12:33] < aa_> haha, chandler!

[12:33] < aa_> let the perils of development-by-committee be plain to all

[13:16] < MS-> To its credit, it does run

[13:18] < MS-> Seems like a wierd version of outlook

[13:19] < MS-> complete with calendaring

[13:24] < aa_> does it really need a patched python?

[13:27] < MS-> I dunno. It's very strange that it's packaged that way

[13:36] < aa_> probably for the windows people, but still

[13:36] < aa_> MS-: I thought of another issue with "why experienced programmers can't use kamaelia and newbies can"

[13:37] < aa_> when I look at kamaelia, and read the docs, its all very simple... then my brain goes "I wonder how that works?" and then "nah, that just can't be possible how the *heck* did they do that?" and that fast leads to "DO NOT COMPUTE"

[14:29] < MS-> Yep, I figured that could be the case

[14:29] < MS-> The miniaxon tutorial deals with that somewhat though

[14:30] < MS-> Since it shows "this is how you build your own one"

[14:30] < MS-> But I do think there's a certain element of disbelief that kicks in

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