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[10:03] < MS-> afternoon

[10:08] < MS-> Looks like sourceforge shell services are down

[10:08] < MS-> :-(

[10:18] < Chong-> that's bad. Will they disable it permanently or just temporarily?

[10:18] < MS-> That's unclear

[10:18] < MS-> I'm trying to figure that out

[10:21] < Chong-> Hope it is only temporary

[10:22] < Chong-> MS-: Just out of curiosity, what do you usually do with the shell services?

[10:22] < MS-> Update the website

[10:23] < Chong-> I see.

[10:25] < Chong-> MS-: How was pycon? I have seen your slides, they are pretty cool.

[10:25] < MS-> Cheers - the conference was good

[10:25] < MS-> Worth going to :)

[10:26] < MS-> I'm still rather tired form it though

[10:26] < Chong-> cool. Hope to go some time in the future :-)

[10:27] < MS-> The Pycon UK team is hosting europython next year

[10:27] < MS-> (same place/etc)

[10:27] < MS-> Which is end of June, start of July

[10:27] < Chong-> MS-: I can understand. Two talks are really energy consuming

[10:28] < MS-> Well, it's more the complete rewrite that was knackering

[10:28] < MS-> I completely rewrote them after discussions on friday, before the talk on sunday

[10:28] < MS-> which meant very little sleep

[10:28] < Chong-> That's interesting. If so, there will be more people there next year

[10:28] < MS-> It sounds like it was well worth doing though

[10:29] < Chong-> MS-: yeap. the slides are well orgnized, and also interesting too.

[10:29] < MS-> Much appreciated

[10:30] < Chong-> :-)

[10:35] < Chong-> MS-: one question, I have not found the code for the vesion control implementation of transactional memory.

[10:35] < Chong-> Could you give me a pointer?

[10:35] < MS-> ?

[10:35] < MS-> It's on /trunk

[10:36] < MS-> /trunk/Code/Python/Axon/Axon/STM.py

[10:36] < MS-> Also here http://edit.kamaelia.org/STM

[10:36] < Chong-> I see. Thanks. :-)

[10:36] < MS-> There's examples in the release as well

[10:37] < Chong-> cool :-)

[10:37] < MS-> https://kamaelia.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/kamaelia/trunk/Code/Python/Axon/Axon/STM.py

[10:37] < MS-> https://kamaelia.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/kamaelia/trunk/Code/Python/Axon/Examples/STM/

[10:37] < MS-> Thread based dining philosophers: https://kamaelia.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/kamaelia/trunk/Code/Python/Axon/Examples/STM/Philosophers.py

[10:37] < MS-> Axon based https://kamaelia.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/kamaelia/trunk/Code/Python/Axon/Examples/STM/Axon.Philosophers.py

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[10:38] < Chong-> cool. The idea is very interesting, is much better than lock

[10:56] < vmlemon_> Yay, robots and cats

[10:56] < MS-> Chong-: Yep. Internally it uses locking - as you'd expect - but the user doesn't and doesn't have to worry about it

[10:57] < vmlemon_> Interesting presentations by the way, MS-

[10:58] < MS-> vmlemon_: Cheers :)

[10:58] < MS-> I think the effort put into using little robots really made a difference

[11:08] < vmlemon_> The robots star in both?

[11:09] < vmlemon_> (I've only seen one presentation)

[11:40] < MS-> Yep, robots in both

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[12:45] < Davbo> Afternoon all

[12:45] < j_baker> Hello

[12:46] < Davbo> Hows things j_baker?

[12:46] < j_baker> Not too bad.

[12:46] < Davbo> Good good

[12:46] < j_baker> School kinda sucks, but that's cuz of the classes I'm taking.

[12:47] < Davbo> Ah, what you taking?

[12:47] < j_baker> The main ones I'm not excited about are physics and linear algebra

[12:47] < j_baker> The only CS class I'm taking is Data Structures which is somewhat interesting.

[12:47] < Davbo> This your first year with Physics? or were you doing it last year also?

[12:48] < j_baker> This is my first year.

[12:48] < Davbo> I did it at A-Level, it was really interesting soon as we got some choice on what area we wanted to study

[12:49] < j_baker> You got to choose what area of physics to study? If only they gave us that ability. :(

[12:51] < j_baker> What classes are you taking?

[12:52] < Davbo> Going into my second year Computer Science, I've got no choices on what to do... so, all of these http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/intranet/teaching/modules/level2/

[12:55] < j_baker> You guys get to take cool classes your second year.

[12:55] < j_baker> Here's what my course table looks like: http://www.depts.ttu.edu/officialpublications/catalog/01_curriculum/ENGR_CompSc.gif

[12:56] < Davbo> Wow, not much CS until 3rd year

[12:57] < j_baker> Yup. :(

[12:57] < j_baker> At my school, CS is considered an engineering field.

[12:58] < Davbo> Ah, ours is in both Science and Engi faculties

[12:59] < Davbo> Ouch, you can't get away from Calculus in your course can you?

[13:00] < j_baker> Nope. I'm already finished with Calculus though. :)

[13:00] < Davbo> Ah good

[13:03] < j_baker> It's fortunate because that really helps with physics too (at least the class I'm taking).

[13:07] *** Davbo hopes he never has to do "integration by parts" again

[13:08] < j_baker> Indeed.

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[13:33] < vmlemon_> Hi

[13:33] < j_baker> Hello

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[13:47] < vmlemon_> kamlogbot: dance

[13:47] Reply: does the macarena

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[14:53] < Lawouach> evening

[14:57] < Davbo> Hey Lawouach, I'm all sorted with WebFaction now :-)

[14:58] < Lawouach> cool

[14:58] < Lawouach> how?

[14:58] < Davbo> They changed me from PayPal to something else

[14:58] < Davbo> 2checkout? something like that

[14:59] < Lawouach> yeap

[14:59] < Lawouach> enjoy :)

[14:59] < Davbo> trac should be useful for Uni work i think

[14:59] < Lawouach> :)

[15:00] < vmlemon_> You get the supersize/2 for the price of one thing?

[15:00] < Davbo> Yeah

[15:00] < vmlemon_> Cool

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[15:13] < Davbo> How do you debug an error which occurs one line after the end of your file? :-/

[15:14] < Davbo> it's a 10 line file and I get a traceback to line 11

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[18:29] < vmlemon_> Hah, http://blog.mezzocode.com/Idiotsyncrasy-News/Microsoft-Windows-Visa-Released

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