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[05:35] < Lawouach_> hello good people

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[11:47] < Davbo> :D

[11:47] < Davbo> Afternoon all

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[12:06] < Lawouach_> heya Davbo

[12:09] < Davbo> Hey Lawouach_

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[12:29] < Lawouach_> Davbo: how was PyCon?

[12:31] < Davbo> It was great, learnt tons of stuff and met loads of people

[12:31] < Davbo> incl MS, which was cool

[12:31] < Lawouach_> networking already :)

[12:31] < Lawouach_> good man

[12:33] < Davbo> Yeah, I was a bit out of my depth but I quite like that really

[12:33] < Lawouach_> :)

[12:35] < Davbo> it's the UK's turn for EuroPython next year Lawouach_, you should come :-)

[12:37] < Lawouach_> When is it?

[12:38] < Davbo> end of june start of July i believe

[12:38] < Lawouach_> I see

[12:38] < Davbo> IIRC, which I probably don't

[12:38] < Lawouach_> well if I can I will

[12:38] < Davbo> :-)

[12:39] < Davbo> Should be quite busy, at least more busy then EuroPython Lithuania

[12:42] < Lawouach_> :)

[12:44] < Davbo> Lawouach_: Could you explain this for me http://blog.webfaction.com/django-1-0-is-here

[12:45] < Davbo> what are they offering extra with the promo code

[12:47] < Davbo> it sounds like if i sign up for a Shared 1 account now I'll get another one free

[12:47] < Lawouach_> sounds about right

[12:47] < Davbo> sweet

[12:47] < Lawouach_> basically that means you double your allocated resources

[12:48] < Davbo> I went to a lot of the Django stuff at Pycon and it sounds great

[12:48] < Lawouach_> it's one single account with everything doubled :)

[12:48] < Lawouach_> it is and it isn't

[12:48] < Lawouach_> I used it at work (not the whole framework though)

[12:48] < Lawouach_> It's rather well thought

[12:48] < Lawouach_> but sometimes frustrating as well

[12:48] < Lawouach_> like any framework :)

[12:48] < Davbo> Well, everything has its problems

[12:48] < Davbo> exactly

[12:49] < Davbo> I was at a 3hour tutorial with Jacob Kaplan-Moss so I most likely got brainwashed anyway ;-)

[12:50] < Lawouach_> :)

[12:50] < Lawouach_> one thing we aren't good at with CherryPy is marketing it

[12:50] < Lawouach_> we never had the will nor the time

[12:50] < Davbo> like Kamaelia really

[12:51] < Lawouach_> but it's probably a shame considering how great it is to make your own choice of components for DB access, templating, etc.

[12:51] < Lawouach_> yeap

[12:51] < vmlemon_> "CherryPy - it's delicious!" ;)

[12:52] < Davbo> i'll have to take a look at CherryPy too :D

[12:52] < Davbo> Mark Shuttleworth mentioned it in his Keynote iirc

[12:53] < Davbo> saying about how the Python community has many "individuals" who like to go and do their own thing, leading to CherryPy Django turbogears and whatnot

[12:54] < Davbo> as MS said, he failed to mention anything like WSGI

[12:56] < Davbo> "platom" right Lawouach_?

[12:58] < Davbo> for webfaction

[13:01] < aa_> man, I was in the django BoF too, hiding at the back writing code

[13:04] < vmlemon_> kamlogbot: dance

[13:04] Reply: does the macarena

[13:06] < Davbo> they did a BoF ? or is that the tutorial thing on Friday?

[13:07] < vmlemon_> Heh, anyone ran the coffee machine demo?

[13:10] < vmlemon_> I saw the Twitter post earlier, and had a look at the URL at lunchtime...

[13:14] *** Davbo wonders why WebFaction is declining his visa...I can use it elsewhere fine

[13:16] < vmlemon_> Ouch

[13:19] < Lawouach_> Davbo: strange indeed

[13:19] < Lawouach_> Try PayPal maybe?

[13:20] < Lawouach_> Davbo: yeah "platom"

[13:21] < Davbo> can't do PayPal really

[13:22] < Lawouach_> hmm

[13:22] < Lawouach_> do you get an error message for the visa?

[13:22] < Davbo> phoning bank to confirm my card is okay

[13:22] < Davbo> yeah it says it was declined

[13:23] < Lawouach_> They used to be more flexible on payments but they were getting screwed so they got tougher :)

[13:25] < aa_> Davbo: there was a "getting started hacking django" BoF

[13:28] < Davbo> Ah cool aa_, did you go to either of the Kamaelia talks?

[13:29] < aa_> Davbo: no :( bad me

[13:29] < Davbo> Lawouach_: Just checked my bank, it must be a problem with WebFaction

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[13:30] < Lawouach_> hmm

[13:30] < Lawouach_> They have contact support for that

[13:30] < Davbo> Yep, have sent them a little message

[13:30] < Lawouach_> But I'm surprised

[13:33] < Davbo> Same here...but nothing was coming through to the bank so there's no way they could have declined it

[13:33] < aa_> Davbo: I met up with someone wanting to hack on pida, and we got involved in a minisprint

[13:33] < Lawouach_> Send them a message

[13:33] < Lawouach_> they are usually really fast

[13:33] < Davbo> Ah cool aa_

[13:33] < Davbo> Have done Lawouach_

[13:33] < Lawouach_> what username did you chose?

[13:33] < Lawouach_> choose

[13:34] < Davbo> davbo

[13:34] < Davbo> I don't think it created the account though

[13:34] < Davbo> due to the payment

[13:36] < Lawouach_> Contact them. I will also check with Remi if he gets back online on MSN

[13:36] < Davbo> Thank you Lawouach_ :)

[13:36] < Davbo> no big rush though

[13:43] < Lawouach_> right-o

[13:43] < Lawouach_> Remi will be creating your account

[13:44] < Lawouach_> They use PayPal internally for credit card payments and they can be picky apparently

[13:44] < Davbo> Argh, really Lawouach_

[13:44] < Lawouach_> so he'll just work around it and will put you on a different payment system

[13:44] < Davbo> That explains it then...my card wont work with PayPal

[13:45] < Davbo> that'd be great

[13:45] < Lawouach_> :)

[13:45] < Davbo> I'm basically banned from Paypal

[13:45] < Lawouach_> that ain't good

[13:45] < Lawouach_> I'll refrain telling that to Remi :D

[13:45] < Davbo> i didn't get banned for doing anything bad

[13:46] < Davbo> Made a US account so i could use my Google card

[13:46] < Davbo> which causes all kinds of problems on my UK account

[13:46] < Lawouach_> :/

[13:46] < Davbo> I don't even know how they linked them

[13:50] < Davbo> I can use my brothers PayPal if I absolutely *have* to, but would really rather not.

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[15:10] < MS-> afternoon

[15:12] < vmlemon_> Hi MS-

[15:15] < MS-> Right, now to see if slideshare likes me from here

[15:16] < MS-> (was trying to upload my slides earlier today before travelling back and it failed abysmally)

[15:16] < MS-> How's things?

[15:18] < vmlemon_> OK, just having my first chicken korma for months

[15:19] < Lawouach> yummy

[15:19] < Lawouach> I love a good korma

[15:19] < vmlemon_> (How being broke sucks)

[15:19] < MS-> Sounds nice :)

[15:21] *** vmlemon_ wonders how MS-'s road trip movie is going ;)

[15:22] < MS-> It was a random idea that came up the other evening. Struck me as funny.

[15:22] < vmlemon_> Heh

[15:22] < MS-> Mind you I still want "pinky & the brain vs dangermouse" to become a real film

[15:23] < vmlemon_> "Trip To Tesco" is the next action-packed film? ;)

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[16:08] < Davbo> Hey all, you home now MS-?

[16:08] < vmlemon_> Can I still Bet Here, Davbo? ;)

[16:08] *** Davbo should change hostname :P

[16:09] < MS-> I'm home now

[16:09] < vmlemon_> Hehe

[16:09] < Davbo> ah cool, was just asking OOI

[16:10] < vmlemon_> No point, the alternative ISPs are probably much worse than Be ;)

[16:26] < Davbo> Sorry I had to rush off yesterday MS-, I wasn't 100% what time my train was leaving as I still had to pick up the tickets from the FastTicket machine

[16:44] < MS-> http://www.slideshare.net/kamaelian/practical-concurrent-systems-made-simple-using-kamaelia-presentation

[16:44] < MS-> Davbo np

[16:45] < MS-> Went off and had dinner with the rest of the committee, crew, Jakob Kaplan & Raymond Hettinger :)

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[16:49] < Davbo> Ah cool

[16:50] < Davbo> They're cool guys, Jacob and Raymond

[16:50] < Davbo> I'm going through Jacob's tutorial again right now :)

[16:51] < MS-> Funny part of the conversation last night:

[16:52] < MS-> Jacob mentions "I really want software transactional memory for python"

[16:52] < MS-> I reply with "please download my implementation"

[16:53] < MS-> I then watch gobsmacked reaction

[16:53] < vmlemon_> Hah

[16:53] < MS-> Get asked "How do you deal with the whole mutable values and side effects aspect of python"

[16:53] < MS-> I reply with "It's just version control for variables really" and give the 30 second version

[16:54] < Davbo> He should have gone to your talk!

[16:54] < MS-> Indeed :)

[16:54] < MS-> Well, it's not like I didn't try to be incredibly explicit with talk titles this year :)

[16:54] < MS-> Was rather amusing really :)

[16:54] < Davbo> Hehe

[16:55] < MS-> In a good way of course :)

[16:55] *** Davbo expects to see something like that in Django soon ;-)

[16:56] < MS-> Remind me to put django ontop of the WSGI code at some point

[16:56] < MS-> It would be really amusing :)

[16:57] < vmlemon_> Zope-Kamaelia integration, anyone?

[16:57] < vmlemon_> (Although I don't think it would fit well, for some reason)

[16:57] < MS-> vmlemon_: Just say no to Zope

[16:57] < MS-> OK, biab

[16:57] < vmlemon_> Hah

[17:00] *** vmlemon_ wonders what's wrong with Zope...

[17:01] *** Davbo ponders his "Aha! moment" with Kamaelia

[17:03] < vmlemon_> Any progress with KamaeliaNXT? ;)

[17:04] < vmlemon_> It looked like an interesting experiment at the time

[17:04] < Davbo> I tried it at Uni but the robots we have are running a different firmware iirc

[17:05] < Davbo> but I did find another python implementation which might have worked

[17:05] < vmlemon_> Aah

[17:05] < Davbo> That reminds me to write an email to someone in my department to have a look at what's going on with Python at Leeds University

[17:06] < vmlemon_> They won't install it?

[17:06] < Davbo> They're using it to teach students, one of the few universities doing so

[17:06] < vmlemon_> Cool

[17:06] < vmlemon_> Interesting, I noticed that they added The GIMP to the ZENworks deployment thing at college

[17:07] < vmlemon_> (If I can be bothered to wait an age for it to download, and then break itself and then fix itself, anyway)

[17:07] < Davbo> ZENworks?

[17:07] < vmlemon_> Shame they won't/haven't added Inkscape

[17:07] < vmlemon_> Novell remote administration and application deployment thing

[17:08] < vmlemon_> (Essentially involves installing your apps on a server, and then quickly downloading and installing them over the LAN at login time)

[17:08] < Davbo> Oh yes I know the thing

[17:09] < Davbo> Hah, apparently mine and your definition of "quickly" differs

[17:09] < vmlemon_> Hehe

[17:09] < Davbo> the non-computer science network at university (they're on an slower network ;-)) use that

[17:09] < Davbo> So once I had to start MATLAB using it

[17:10] < vmlemon_> It seems fairly snappy anyway (takes about 30 seconds to 1 minute for the "College Applications" thing to be added and the desktop NALs/shortcuts to be added)

[17:10] < Davbo> MATLAB is a huge app though

[17:10] < vmlemon_> I think it caches stuff on the HDD afterwards

[17:10] *** vmlemon_ hasn't used MATLAB

[17:11] < vmlemon_> Unless I'm just really patient

[17:11] < Davbo> MS-: are we okay to share all the stuff on the PyCon CD?

[17:13] *** vmlemon_ wonders how long it'll take to deploy MATLAB, seeing as it takes an age to deploy the QuickTime Installer (Why, when it never gets installed, anyway?)

[17:14] < vmlemon_> *it'd

[17:15] < Davbo> oh it took about 20minutes

[17:15] < vmlemon_> Ouch

[17:15] < Davbo> This was over a -huge- network though

[17:16] < vmlemon_> Let me guess, Gigabit Ethernet NICs configured to run at 10MBit?

[17:17] < vmlemon_> (We had that, although I reckon that they've probably switched it to 100Mbit now)

[17:18] < Davbo> I've no idea tbh vmlemon_

[17:19] < vmlemon_> Meh, they've broke FTP now and SSH is now blocked on it :(

[17:19] < vmlemon_> (I can't upload or delete files via FTP, and only get a HTMLised listing of directories)

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[18:08] < MS-> presentation 2

[18:08] < MS-> http://www.slideshare.net/kamaelian/sharing-data-and-services-safely-in-concurrent-systems-using-kamaelia-presentation

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