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[09:08] < MS-> morning

[09:08] *** MS- changed the topic to Don't forget you can ask questions on the mailing list as well | Project Wiki here: http://edit.kamaelia.org/RecentChanges u/p : wiki/wiki | Don't ask to ask, just ask | channel logs are here: http://edit.kamaelia.org/logs/ (start a line with [off] to not be logged)

[09:10] < MS-> Lawouach_: Nothing particularly amazing about the connectivity, I was just pleased with it working

[09:11] < MS-> (signed up to mobile "broadband" - and whilst I'd hardly call it broadband, it does work)

[09:18] < Lawouach> :)

[09:18] < Lawouach> I have the ame in France and it works well too

[09:19] < Chong-> morning, MS- and Lawouach

[09:20] < Lawouach> hello

[09:29] < Chong-> one purpose of the big bang experiment seems to complete the task Einstein hadn't finished, to unify all forces http://www.superstringtheory.com/

[09:41] < MS-> Chong-: I thought it's primary purpose was to instill fear and panic

[09:41] < MS-> Not to mention amusing comedy videos on youtube

[09:42] < MS-> I particularly like the one about it being designed to open a stargate through the van allen belt into space so that the devil can come to earth. That man really needs a doctor

[09:42] < MS-> :)

[09:44] < Chong-> MS-: interesting. Got to have a look at youtube ;)

[09:46] < MS-> I think its this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt1Yo610lG0 :)

[09:48] *** Chong- watching

[09:49] < MS-> It's both sad and amusing all at once

[10:00] < Chong-> yes, very amusing, "EU headquater is the tower of Babel"

[10:01] < MS-> That one particularly amuses

[10:01] < MS-> Since it's entirely possible the designer of the EU headquarters did design it based on that picture of babel

[10:02] < MS-> After all the EU was formed to try and help a multitude of places that speak multiple languages work together :)

[10:02] < Chong-> Satans live in other dimensions, narnia ??!! :D

[10:02] < MS-> Except of course he takes things *far* to literally :)

[10:03] < Chong-> yes, they do have some similarities ;)

[10:07] < Lawouach_> $back

[10:07] < Lawouach_> MS-: ping

[10:09] < MS-> pong

[10:09] < Lawouach_> have a few minutes to spare?

[10:09] < MS-> Sure.

[10:30] < MS-> amusing: http://ptrace.fefe.de/wtfm.jpg

[10:50] < Chong-> Not quite understand :/ What's WTF?

[10:54] < MS-> what the < rearrange these letters to form an expletive: FCUK>

[10:56] < Chong-> I see :-)

[10:59] < Lawouach_> ah ah brilliant

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[13:46] < MS-> Greetings Davbo

[13:46] < Davbo> Hey MS-

[13:46] *** Davbo regrets not buying train tickets earlier

[13:49] < Davbo> oooo!!

[13:49] < Davbo> there are advance tickets still!!

[13:49] < MS-> Really?

[13:49] < MS-> Advance train tickets even though it's a day ahead ?

[13:50] *** MS- has his tickets

[13:50] < MS-> Still have to write the slides

[13:51] < Davbo> Sheffield to Birmingham New Street £11.50

[13:51] < Davbo> can't complain with that

[13:51] < aa_> I'm driving up

[13:52] < aa_> where are you guys staying?

[13:53] < Davbo> Etap IIRC

[13:53] < Davbo> I booked it with the conference

[13:53] < aa_> oh right

[13:57] < MS-> I'm staying at the travelodge :)

[13:58] < MS-> I got accosted by a chirpy vegan at breakfast who wanted to complain about the quality of Radio 3 on DAB first thing in the morning

[13:58] < MS-> I'm trying to avoid a repeat.

[13:58] < MS-> I *think* I managed to be alive enough to make a coherent response

[13:58] < MS-> I don't enjoy mornings

[13:59] *** Davbo is a happy chap, managing an advance ticket one day ahead

[14:00] < MS-> That's pretty impressive :)

[14:00] < Davbo> Not so good that I have to be up at 6:30 tomorrow, especially since I was at a nightclub til 4 last night :(

[14:00] < MS-> never mind

[14:00] < MS-> :)

[14:04] < Davbo> Are you going to any tutorials MS-, aa_?

[14:06] *** Davbo put his name down for AppEngine and Intro to Django

[14:15] < MS-> I'll be there tomorrow - but may well be helping out with sorting stuff out rather than going to any of the tutorials

[14:15] < MS-> I've paid for them though, just don't know if I'll get to attend any

[14:22] *** MS- calls it a day

[14:23] < MS-> Not getting as much done today as I'd like, I think I'll head home and write slides.

[14:23] < Davbo> lets call it Thursday

[14:23] < Davbo> one of those days eh MS-

[14:26] < MS-> Yeah. I think I'm just a bit stressed at the moment, which is a bit of a pain

[14:26] < MS-> I think it's probably because I haven't turned my presentation into slides yet

[14:27] < Davbo> Ah

[14:27] < MS-> Even though a) I have lots of slides I can nab b) have probably written more slides than hot water

[14:27] < MS-> I think this time its different because I've realised that _really_ what I'm talking about is systems building and systems design

[14:28] < MS-> (at least in the first talk) and whilst you get lots of people who can peck at existing systems and change existing things

[14:28] < Davbo> Ah I see

[14:28] < MS-> Talking about building a completely fresh one is sometimes rather different

[14:29] < MS-> There's an implicit assumption that people already understand how to build systems, but building systems in Kamaelia is slightly different from other things

[14:29] < MS-> As a result I'm trying to decide what route in

[14:30] < Davbo> sounds like you've got all the ideas for the presentation though

[14:30] < MS-> It's like anything - it's a story, and even if you have all the ideas, deciding on the right order is always the awkward bit

[14:30] < Davbo> Yep

[14:39] *** MS- has parted #kamaelia

[16:28] < aa_> dayeah, IronPython

[16:28] < aa_> oops

[16:28] < aa_> was for Davbo