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[09:21] < Lawouach> hello

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[11:00] < MS-> afternoon

[11:00] < MS-> Lawouach - I'll send you that mail off list this evening. I've been having a rather insane 24 hours.

[11:05] < Lawouach_> hello

[11:05] < Lawouach_> no worries

[11:06] < Lawouach_> It's not urgent

[11:12] < Lawouach_> I hate Ecluipse

[11:12] < Lawouach_> Eclipse

[11:12] < Lawouach_> what a pile of crap

[11:13] < MS-> I've never used it :)

[11:13] < Lawouach_> It's a good IDE really but it tries to be smarter than you

[11:13] < Lawouach_> and it fails

[11:13] < Lawouach_> damn it

[11:13] < MS-> That's always the problem with DWIM

[11:13] < MS-> (do what I mean)

[11:13] < Lawouach_> tools should do what i'm telling them to do

[11:13] < MS-> as opposed to DWIS (do what I say)

[11:14] < Lawouach_> yeah

[11:14] < MS-> DWIM is good for basic cases, but often goes wrong beyond that

[11:14] < MS-> It's one of the problems with perl until you get used to it (caveat, I still like perl :) )

[11:15] < Lawouach_> Well these tools are the reason why I'm still prefering emacs+filesystem to complete integrated dumbass environment

[11:15] < MS-> :)

[11:48] < Chong-> Lawouach_: I also found Eclipse eats up too much system resource, and it is quite slow, and prone to crash

[12:34] < aa_> if you want an IDE that is not trying to be clever, but is trying to be useful... http://pida.co.uk/

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[13:03] < j_baker> So... I think I may be in a little over my head at my new job (as well as my boss).

[13:03] < j_baker> I asked my boss "is this thread-safe?" and I just got a blank look. :(

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[13:09] < Lawouach_> j_baker: hah :)

[13:12] < j_baker> Yeah. He's a smart guy. It's just that he's your average grad student with next to no real world experience. I got a similar reaction when I asked him what version control software he was familiar with. :(

[13:13] < j_baker> Although I suppose that I would give somebody a blank look when I got that question too if not for GSOC.

[13:28] < MS-> j_baker: hiya

[13:29] < MS-> """I asked my boss "is this thread-safe?" and I just got a blank look."""

[13:29] < MS-> That almost certainly implies it isn't :)

[13:29] < MS-> version control - common problem

[13:29] < j_baker> Heh... well the object I was asking about WAS written by microsoft. :P

[13:31] < j_baker> And yeah, I agree. I really think that universities nowadays have their priorities out of line. I wish they would teach more about things like version control and unit testing before they get into the deeper CS subjects.

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