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[11:25] < Davbo> afternoon all

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[11:40] < vmlemon_> Hi

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[13:18] < orphans> Davbo, ping?

[13:20] < Davbo> orphans: pong

[13:20] < orphans> hey, if you're not busy would you mind testing jam out again for me?

[13:21] < Davbo> sure,

[13:21] < orphans> I've got a couple of things to check in, but then it might work...

[13:21] < Davbo> alright

[13:22] < orphans> cool, give us 5 mins and I'll give you a shout :)

[13:26] *** Davbo is trying to organise a trip to Dublin

[13:28] < orphans> nice :)

[13:33] < orphans> Davbo, ok, this one should be nice and simple

[13:34] < orphans> all you need to do is svn update my code and make a quick one line change to the pygame display code

[13:35] *** orphans lies a little

[13:35] < Davbo> alright updated

[13:35] < Davbo> what do i need to do?

[13:35] < orphans> you need to comment out lines 599-602 inclusive in /Code/Python/Kamaelia/Kamaelia/UI/Pygame/Display.py

[13:35] < orphans> then run app/jam and hope :)

[13:35] < Davbo> ehh lol

[13:36] < Davbo> Okay, gimme a sec

[13:36] < orphans> cool, ta

[13:36] < orphans> I might try and get MS- to take out those lines if I can, more likely will just switch to a local copy

[13:37] < orphans> given that no-one can remember what it'll break if they are taken out :)

[13:38] < orphans> arg, 2 secs - got one more change to check in

[13:38] < Davbo> alright :)

[13:40] < orphans> k, should work now :)

[13:40] < orphans> this is a version (ab)using the pygame mixer to some extent

[13:41] < Davbo> lol

[13:42] < Davbo> Traceback (most recent call last):

[13:42] < Davbo> File "jam", line 49, in < module>

[13:42] < Davbo> from Kamaelia.Apps.Jam.Audio.Sampler import Sampler

[13:42] < Davbo> ImportError: No module named Audio.Sampler

[13:42] < orphans> hum

[13:42] < orphans> you run setup.py install from inside the library directory?

[13:42] < Davbo> oh nope

[13:43] < Davbo> only from application

[13:43] < orphans> when it's a tarball that's all one command

[13:43] < Davbo> umm

[13:44] < Davbo> dave@KING-2:~/Kamaelia/kamaelia/Sketches/JT/Jam/application/trunk$ python jam

[13:44] < Davbo> Usage: jam [options]

[13:44] < Davbo> jam: error: In order to use MIDI you must have the pyrtmidi package installed. To run without midi use the --no-midi option.

[13:44] < orphans> jam --no-midi

[13:45] < orphans> it's just an add-on thing really

[13:45] < Davbo> Traceback (most recent call last):

[13:45] < Davbo> File "/usr/bin/jam", line 414, in < module>

[13:45] < Davbo> Pipeline(SubscribeTo("midiOut"), Midi(options.midiPort)).activate()

[13:45] < Davbo> NameError: name 'Midi' is not defined

[13:46] *** orphans swears at himself :)

[13:46] < orphans> sorry

[13:46] < Davbo> no problem

[13:47] < orphans> change line 413 in app/jam to if options.useMidi:

[13:48] < Davbo> umm still does it

[13:49] < orphans> you setup.py installed the app again?

[13:49] < Davbo> oh sorry didn't think i'd need to

[13:49] < Davbo> Hey, it's alive

[13:49] < orphans> :)

[13:49] < orphans> now does it make any noise?

[13:50] < Davbo> sure does

[13:50] < orphans> woop :)

[13:50] < Davbo> Sounds a bit odd though

[13:50] < orphans> if you play two notes at once on the piano roll it should break up a bit - I need to turn the volume down on them

[13:51] < orphans> and I changed the drum samples 'cause I got bored

[13:51] < orphans> is it anything other than that?

[13:51] < Davbo> sounds a bit "staticy"

[13:52] < orphans> arse

[13:52] < orphans> that's not what I wanted

[13:52] < Davbo> you know what i mean by "staticy" lol

[13:52] < orphans> is it on the drums or the notes or both?

[13:52] < Davbo> only the piano stuff

[13:52] < Davbo> just the notes

[13:52] < orphans> is that only if you have two notes playing at once?

[13:52] < Davbo> nope

[13:54] < orphans> ok, I'll make a quick fix and up it and see if that helps

[13:54] < Davbo> the second xypad doesn't do anything either btw

[13:54] < Davbo> 1st seems to work but have no effect too

[13:55] < orphans> yeah, I know about that

[13:55] < Davbo> drums seem a bit odd now

[13:55] < orphans> not really sure what I'm going to do with it atm, but that's no problem :)

[13:55] < orphans> *sigh*

[13:55] < Davbo> they're working

[13:56] < Davbo> just the samples on them are weird

[13:56] < Davbo> there's no "drum" like i'd expect

[13:56] < Davbo> you know, like a snare

[13:56] < orphans> yeah, I put a clap on the second one

[13:56] < Davbo> that's probably not a problem though

[13:56] < Davbo> ah right

[13:56] < orphans> more just me being bored with the samples there were there before :)

[13:57] < Davbo> alright cool

[13:57] < orphans> Davbo, can you try launching it using jam --no-midi --buffer-size=2048 and see if the static-ey ness is any better or worse?

[13:58] < Davbo> worse

[13:59] < orphans> jam --no-midi --buffer-size=8192

[14:00] < Davbo> hmm it's really similar orphans

[14:00] < Davbo> there's not much difference between all 3 TBH

[14:00] < Davbo> it's kinda hard to tell

[14:00] < orphans> ok, in that case I've got a fair idea where the problem might be

[14:01] < orphans> I'll bash out a quick change and ping you again

[14:01] < Davbo> kk

[14:01] < orphans> sorry for all this - testing = hard when it's working fine for me :)

[14:08] < orphans> Davbo, ok, change is up - svn update, setup.py install the library and give it another try when you have a mo

[14:12] < Davbo> seems to still be doing it

[14:12] < Davbo> have you got self.staticy = True? :P

[14:12] < orphans> god, I wish

[14:12] < Davbo> ohh install library

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[14:12] < orphans> :)

[14:12] *** orphans crosses fingers

[14:13] *** orphans is doubtful

[14:14] < Davbo> still seems to be doing it

[14:14] < orphans> crapola

[14:14] < orphans> is it like a regular crackle when it's playing?

[14:15] < orphans> kinda pop-pop-pop-pop really fast?

[14:16] < Davbo> hmm yeah

[14:16] < Davbo> you can hear the tone

[14:16] < Davbo> but its crackling over it

[14:17] < orphans> that's me making the pygame mixer do things it wasn't meant to

[14:19] < orphans> I was hopeful about that one... *sigh*

[14:21] < Davbo> #pygame ? :-)

[14:27] < Lawouach> afternoon folks

[14:28] < Davbo> Afternoon Lawouach

[14:28] < orphans> hey Lawouach

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[14:33] < Lawouach> orphans, so how's he project coming?

[14:33] < Lawouach> s/he/the

[14:35] < Davbo> http://www-tech.mit.edu/V128/N30/subway/Defcon_Presentation.pdf Haha, I'm at the wrong Uni

[14:36] < Davbo> The WarCart they made is amazing

[14:36] < vmlemon_> That's the stuff they tried getting them to pull?

[14:36] < Davbo> Yep

[14:42] < orphans> Lawouach, erm, interesting

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[14:45] < orphans> am currently (still) desperately trying to find a way to get some sort of decent audio output which won't have a latency of three years, a list of install instructions as long as war and peace, and working on most computers

[14:50] < Lawouach> right

[14:50] < Lawouach> sounds like fun

[14:51] < orphans> you wouldn't believe :)

[14:52] < Lawouach> :)

[14:59] < vmlemon_> kamlogbot: dance

[14:59] Reply: does the macarena

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[15:48] < Davbo> Hah my Dad bought a piece of software called "RegCure" to fix his registry on Windows

[15:48] < Davbo> I always wondered "what kind of idiot buys this stuff", now i know

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[15:49] < Davbo> back later chaps

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