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[07:07] < MS-> morning

[07:08] < mhrd-afk> morning MS-

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[08:36] < Chong-> It seems there is some problem with BBC's iplayer today.

[08:37] < MS-> Chong-: really?

[08:37] < MS-> Does it only show boring programmes today?

[08:37] < MS-> :-D

[08:37] < MS-> I've noticed that the news website sometimes only shows you the boring news clips when the server is busy

[08:37] < Chong-> MS-: no. :-) It takes a long time to connect and then reconnect

[08:37] < MS-> (or rather popular clips are unavailable)

[08:37] < MS-> Chong-: ah

[08:38] < MS-> Well, if its any consolation, I coldn't connect to it at all from work yesterday

[08:40] < Chong-> probably. I have no problem yesterday. But today it seems to meet some problems.

[08:40] < MS-> maybe there's something worth watching today?

[08:41] < MS-> what was on tv last night?

[08:41] < MS-> :-)

[08:41] < Chong-> Not something special. I usually listen to news24 every day.

[08:42] < mhrd-afk> fwiw: I've been having problems with it too since last night

[08:42] < MS-> mhrd-afk: I couldn't watch a news clip yesterday, so hey :)

[08:42] < MS-> (any news clip)

[08:43] < MS-> Oh, the tudors

[08:43] < MS-> probably that

[08:43] < MS-> maybe it was good and people are saying so and going "ooh better go watch that" and causing a server meltdown

[08:43] < MS-> because they're doing streaming

[08:44] < mhrd-afk> Panorama from Monday isn't too bad, if seeing John Sweeney blunder and bluster around China is something you find amusing :-)

[08:44] < MS-> rather than allowing a more distributed model

[08:44] < Chong-> mhrd-afk: they should have met some problems. maybe bad weather :-)

[08:44] < MS-> Chong-: Heh, that's a thought - they can no longer blame engineering problems on the weather :)

[08:46] < Chong-> MS-: maybe people come to see David's hamlet and crash the server :-)

[08:46] < mhrd-afk> s/server/servers/

[08:46] < mhrd-afk> :)

[08:47] < Chong-> mhrd-afk: yes. there should be a lot of servers :-)

[08:48] < MS-> Mind you, it's particularly gratifying to see the fruits of my works listed as number 2 on iPlayer

[08:48] < MS-> That episode would've gone missing if it weren't for moi :)

[08:48] < MS-> mhrd-afk: That was david kirby's emergency :-)

[08:48] < mhrd-afk> ah

[08:48] < MS-> (hard drives etc)

[08:49] < MS-> They really do post-production close to the wire don't they?

[08:49] < mhrd-afk> ?

[08:49] < mhrd-afk> timescales?

[08:49] < MS-> Yep

[08:50] < MS-> I was there sorting stuff about about 4 weeks ago (tops) and that's episode 3 of the new series they were editting

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[09:09] < vmlemon_> Hi

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[11:15] < Lawouach_> orphans: http://www.aelius.com/njh/madjack/

[11:15] < Lawouach_> Had you seen that one?

[11:16] < orphans> no, looks pretty fancy

[11:17] < orphans> although without ui I reckon I could hack something very similar in a couple of hours using the components :)

[11:18] < Lawouach_> I landed on the guy's page as he works for the BBC Audio and Music department that I've been following quite a lot

[11:21] < orphans> ah, interesting - I've heard of a couple of the things he's worked on

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[13:24] < orphans> Lawouach_ or MS-, am I right in thinking that the Axon scheduler makes no promises as to what order it calls components?

[13:31] < MS-> orphans: Correct

[13:31] < MS-> Indeed. If people start relying on order, I reserve the right to randomise the order :)

[13:31] < orphans> darnit :)

[13:31] < orphans> thought you might say that

[13:31] < MS-> :)

[13:32] < MS-> It's worth remembering about ProcessPipeline & ProcessGraphline after all

[13:32] < MS-> You can't guarantee two components are even in the same process.

[13:33] < MS-> But (maybe) more realistically a ThreadedPipeline or ThreadedGraphline - that puts all the components in a seperate thread is possible too

[13:33] < orphans> uh huh

[13:33] < MS-> (which would make sense on IronPython or Jython since there's no GIL there and you'd get multi-core for "free" )

[13:36] < orphans> right, in that case I think it's time for me to break lots of stuff in my sketches :)

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[14:02] < Lawouach_> That's why you can characterized Axon as a concurrent system.

[14:02] < Lawouach_> Because you cannot rely on any ordering

[14:02] < Lawouach_> Otherwise it's not that much concurrent anymore... :)

[14:03] < Lawouach_> It's, er, sequential :)

[14:03] < MS-> That or else it has fake raisins in

[14:03] < MS-> (sorry, had less sleep than ideal last night :) )

[14:03] < vmlemon_> Sultanas? ;)

[14:04] < Lawouach_> hmmm scones

[14:04] < Lawouach_> I miss my afternoon scone

[14:05] < MS-> Hm. I got very used to cheese scones at one place I worked

[14:05] < MS-> They'd be all warm fresh and gooey inside with lots of melted cheese

[14:06] < MS-> And really nice buttered

[14:06] *** orphans salivates

[14:07] < Lawouach_> cheese is evil

[14:07] < Lawouach_> I don't like it.

[14:10] < MS-> French cheese or cheese that is safe to eat ? ;-) :-p

[14:10] < MS-> :-D

[14:11] < MS-> I'm more a mild cheddar, edam, dairylea or babybel kind of person than {blue,mouldy,oozing}

[14:11] < MS-> :)

[14:11] < Davbo> I thought the French were supposed to love cheese, I need to rethink my stereotype now Lawouach_

[14:11] < orphans> mm, blue/mouldy/oozing is my favourite

[14:12] < Lawouach_> Any kind of cheese

[14:12] < vmlemon_> Does cheese that's been left for months in the fridge to decay count? ;)

[14:12] < Lawouach_> It's just something that belongs to an X-File show

[14:12] < Lawouach_> Davbo: yeah and I actually wash

[14:12] < MS-> Lawouach_: I won't deny that the idea that you leave something to go bad is a nasty idea

[14:12] < Lawouach_> there you for your cliches :)

[14:12] < Davbo> whaaaaat?! ;-)

[14:13] < Lawouach_> Yeah well... it was too costly in perfume otherwise

[14:13] < MS-> But blue cheese is probably the wierdest

[14:13] < orphans> MS-, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_egg (not for the faint hearted)

[14:13] < Davbo> Hah

[14:14] < MS-> You let it go bad and rancid, pour off the rancid stuff. Then press it hard until it goes dry and impossible to do something with. Then when the crust is awful, get some mould and inject it inside. Then wait for the cheese to go mouldy and crumbly and *then* serve

[14:14] < vmlemon_> Ugh

[14:15] < MS-> It's the sort of disaster that happens in a student household by accident causing people to send in decontamination squad

[14:15] < MS-> :-D

[14:15] < Davbo> Haha

[14:15] < Lawouach_> "by accident"...

[14:15] < Lawouach_> ahem

[14:16] < vmlemon_> "The attack of the killer cheese!"

[14:16] < MS-> orphans: That's just positively disgusting

[14:16] < MS-> Mind you, we invented marmite

[14:16] < vmlemon_> Nothing wrong with Marmite

[14:16] < vmlemon_> (Although others will disagree)

[14:16] < MS-> "ooh what's that at the bottom of that barrel. Watch this, I'll scrape my bread on that!"

[14:16] < orphans> mm, marmite. Sheesh, I wouldn't have picked Kamaelia for SoC if I knew you all had such terrible taste :)

[14:17] < MS-> (disclaimer : I like marmite)

[14:17] < MS-> heheheh

[14:17] < Lawouach_> orphans: :D

[14:17] < orphans> although I'm sure my food tastes have been made slightly eccentric by my time at uni - the other day we bought half a goat from the butchers :)

[14:18] < Lawouach_> I have proper taste unless you don't like seafood :)

[14:18] < Lawouach_> which half?

[14:18] < orphans> left

[14:18] < Lawouach_> I heard that was the better one

[14:18] < MS-> Lawouach_: Cod is quite nice. :-)

[14:18] < MS-> (and mussels)

[14:19] < Lawouach_> Oysters are nice too :)

[14:19] < orphans> I had oysters for the first time the other day - wasn't too sure about them

[14:19] < orphans> it was just like swallowing sea water with a slippery bit in the middle

[14:20] < Lawouach_> It's a tad late to have them

[14:20] *** vmlemon_ won't eat crabsticks, after an incident with a rather vile bag of el-cheapo ones he once had

[14:20] < vmlemon_> ("Mmm, gas flavour")

[14:20] *** Davbo loves Sushi

[14:20] < Lawouach_> You need to eat them at the right period for having the best taste

[14:20] < orphans> what are they supposed to taste of?

[14:20] < vmlemon_> Crab

[14:21] < vmlemon_> presumably

[14:21] < Davbo> lol

[14:21] < orphans> :)

[14:21] < vmlemon_> Although most of them are made of stuff/fish other than crab

[14:21] < orphans> vmlemon_, the oysters :)

[14:21] < Lawouach_> Winkles can be good.

[14:21] < Lawouach_> The small ones

[14:22] < Lawouach_> and nothing beats crab with home made mayonaise

[14:22] *** vmlemon_ once found a jar of "snails in snail butter" in a trinket shop, a few years ago...

[14:23] < vmlemon_> Mmm, scampi...

[14:23] < Lawouach_> :)

[14:23] < MS-> Lawouach_: Except for 4 aces and a smith and wesson

[14:23] < orphans> hah, I ate snails from my garden once :)

[14:23] < vmlemon_> Any good?

[14:23] < orphans> that was an experience

[14:23] < orphans> not bad, I wouldn't go as far as saying good

[14:24] < Lawouach_> I've never had snails

[14:24] < Lawouach_> I meant winkles has in seafood winkles :)

[14:24] < vmlemon_> Aah

[14:24] < vmlemon_> Sounds vile

[14:24] < vmlemon_> You ate it with the shell intact?

[14:24] < Lawouach_> yeap

[14:24] < Lawouach_> You just boil them

[14:25] < vmlemon_> (I meant the snail, not the winkles)

[14:25] < Lawouach_> There are plent of molluscs like that

[14:25] < Lawouach_> hmm

[14:25] < Lawouach_> fresh from the sea front

[14:25] < vmlemon_> Although that's a question for orphans...

[14:25] < Lawouach_> clams for instance

[14:25] < orphans> vmlemon, no, didn't eat the shell. The funniest part about homemade snails is you have to put them on a diet for about a week to get rid of any toxins they might have eaten

[14:25] < vmlemon_> o.O

[14:26] < orphans> clams are good, but they're no mussel imo

[14:26] < Lawouach_> vmlemon_: I don't eat the shell BTW

[14:26] < vmlemon_> Aah

[14:26] < Lawouach_> You eat its inhabitant :)

[14:26] < vmlemon_> Heh

[14:26] < Lawouach_> sorry for getting you confused

[14:27] < vmlemon_> I was thinking of orphans's garden-fresh snail

[14:27] < Davbo> Hah, you put it on a diet orphans?

[14:27] < Lawouach_> http://www.theworldwidegourmet.com/products/shellfish/winkle-or-periwinkle/

[14:27] < Davbo> You must be joking

[14:27] < orphans> Davbo, nope, feed them lettuce and carrot

[14:28] < vmlemon_> "Slim "Fast"" came to mind for some reason as a rather bad pun

[14:28] < Davbo> was it worth it orphans? :-P

[14:28] < orphans> probably, it's a suburb anecdote

[14:28] < orphans> although gastronomically I'd probably say no

[14:29] < Davbo> Hah, worth it for the anecdote

[14:30] < Lawouach_> anyway of some day you visit me in Brittany i'll bring you to a fantastic seafood restaurant by the coast

[14:30] < Lawouach_> Last time I went, i spent 4 hours there :)

[14:30] < MS-> This is making me hungry dammit

[14:30] < Lawouach_> fantastic fresh food... can't get enough of it :D

[14:30] < Lawouach_> yeah me too

[14:30] < Lawouach_> goto home

[14:31] < Davbo> orphans' anecdote is just making me feel ill

[14:32] < MS-> Davbo: Oh, I tend to ignore snail anecdotes

[14:32] < Davbo> hehe ;-)

[14:32] < orphans> sorry, probably too much information shared in that one

[14:33] *** Davbo would love to visit Brittany some day

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[14:39] < MS-> hm. google earth kills my x-server fantastic*

[15:28] < vmlemon_> Yay for strange ricecakes in packaging with only German writing that look like digestive biscuits on the pack...

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[16:58] < vmlemon_> That century egg thing sounds rotten

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