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[11:04] < Davbo> Afternoon all

[11:07] < Davbo> y'alright chaps?

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[11:11] < Davbo> Hi vmlemon_

[11:11] < Davbo> :-(

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[11:19] < vmlemon_> Hi

[11:20] < Davbo> Hey vmlemon_

[11:21] < vmlemon_> Yay for Fedora updates via FTP

[11:21] < vmlemon_> I can actually get the whole file in a reasonable amount of time, without having the connection killed randomly by something in the middle

[11:26] < Davbo> good stuff

[11:27] < Davbo> I'm seeing alot of Ubuntu users with "docks" IMO i'd expect that from KDE users, not so much GNOME

[11:28] < vmlemon_> Hmm, I haven't seen that many screenshots of KDE sessions with multiple panels, if that's what you mean...

[11:29] < vmlemon_> Not sure about GNOME though

[11:29] < vmlemon_> (although most sessions/instances look fairly similar to each other)

[11:34] < Davbo> Time to give "Scribes" a good test

[11:34] < Davbo> http://scribes.sourceforge.net/

[11:35] < Davbo> If you're interested I suggest you download the one from bzr as it's muchly improved

[11:35] *** vmlemon_ takes a look

[11:37] *** vmlemon_ thought it was going to be some sort of Imagination Cubed-style whiteboard thing, for some reason

[11:37] < Davbo> Ah thank you vmlemon_!!

[11:38] < Davbo> Just reminded me to checkout something on Whiteboard

[12:13] *** Davbo is going to make some Scribes Templates for Kamaelia programming

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[12:57] < Davbo> MS-: can you edit our "Google group" so times are displayed in BST?

[12:58] < Davbo> hmm odd

[12:59] < Davbo> on the main discussion page it says I posted at 7:09am

[12:59] < Davbo> but when I click it the time is corrected

[12:59] < Davbo> Oh well :-)

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[13:16] < Davbo> Question: When I put a button into a Component is the button a sub-component?

[13:20] *** Davbo assumes so

[13:37] < vmlemon_> Whoa, "2. Yes, linux drivers can crash hardware. I crashed my nikon film scanner using a beta SANE driver. Read the warning; chose to ignore it, drove the scan head off the end of the screw. $2000 broken toy. This was a few years ago, so may not be true anymore."

[14:21] < Davbo> Heh someone has been logged into the SSH on my (shared) uni server since July 14th :-/

[14:23] *** vmlemon_ wonders why Pidgin will run as root now, after updating it with the package manager, yet won't run under my normal user account

[14:34] < Davbo> Did you run the package manager as root?

[14:34] < Davbo> there's always chmod :-)

[14:34] < vmlemon_> Hmm, given that it's only possible to install stuff with Synaptic as root, yes...

[14:35] < vmlemon_> I don't seem to get any useful error messages out of it, when I run it normally, though

[14:35] < vmlemon_> (Just 3 that I believe may be related to fonts, or something like that before it signals itself to die/abort)

[14:36] < vmlemon_> Google doesn't help, either...

[14:37] < Davbo> Try chown on .pidgin perhaps?

[14:37] < vmlemon_> OK

[14:38] < Davbo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=573572

[14:38] < vmlemon_> The error I get is:

[14:38] < Davbo> That your problem?

[14:38] < vmlemon_> Family none

[14:38] < vmlemon_> Family none

[14:38] < vmlemon_> Aborted

[14:38] < Davbo> Weird

[14:38] < vmlemon_> Changed permissions on .gaim and .purple

[14:39] < vmlemon_> Looking at the UF post now

[14:39] < vmlemon_> Annoyingly, it worked fine a few weeks ago

[14:40] < vmlemon_> Could always create a new temporary user account, run Pidgin and compare the two sets of configuration files

[14:41] < Davbo> Reinstalling perhaps?

[14:41] < Davbo> deleting all the .pidigin stuff

[14:42] < vmlemon_> Aha

[14:42] < vmlemon_> Moving ~/.purple to ~/PurpleOld did the trick

[14:42] < vmlemon_> Thanks for the suggestion of moving/renaming the libpurple/Pidgin directories

[14:42] *** vmlemon_ didn't think of that at the time :|

[14:43] < Davbo> good stuff

[14:43] < Davbo> My webhosting at Uni doesn't even have PHP installed :-(

[14:44] < vmlemon_> Ouch

[14:44] < vmlemon_> Any reason why it isn't installed?

[14:44] < Davbo> It does however have Python

[14:44] < Davbo> :-)

[14:45] *** Davbo bets long running Python process will get killed in a cronjob

[14:45] < vmlemon_> Could always try Kamaelia on it ;)

[14:45] < vmlemon_> (If you don't eat all your quota up by doing so)

[14:46] < Davbo> Indeed,

[14:46] *** Davbo wonders how he can check his quota

[14:46] < vmlemon_> Unless they offer "unlimited" storage

[14:47] < vmlemon_> (Although I doubt it, somehow)

[14:47] < vmlemon_> Hmm, isn't Kamaelia + Axon over 3MB if you don't install/copy the example code?

[14:47] *** vmlemon_ checks

[14:48] < Davbo> I'm pretty sure it's a 200mb quota actually

[14:49] < vmlemon_> Looks like Axon is 668KB here, and Kamaelia is 5.5MB, so I was almost right

[14:49] < vmlemon_> albeit out by 2.5MB

[14:49] < vmlemon_> Shouldn't make that much of a dent

[15:11] < Davbo> odd, mysql is there

[15:11] < Davbo> but no php

[15:11] < vmlemon_> How useful

[15:13] *** Davbo can't think of a better way to test than calling phpinfo()

[15:14] < Davbo> Wonder if they'd let me run Django Since I have mysql and python

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[17:24] < vmlemon_> kamlogbot: dance

[17:24] Reply: does the macarena

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[18:18] < Lawouach> evening boys

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[18:40] < vmlemon_> Way to go, it looks like I can only install Linux in QEMU now :|

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[20:41] < MS-> quiet this evening

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