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[07:05] < Lawouach_> morning all

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[07:46] < mhrd> mornin' all ... ought to get on with reading scrollback :-)

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[08:06] < Lawouach_> mhrd: yeah quite a bunch

[08:14] < mhrd> hmm, now I need several days to digest several days of scrollback I've just read :-)

[08:15] < Lawouach_> see you then :)

[08:17] < mhrd> nah, now gotta start on email :-)

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[11:14] < orphans> mhrd, don't spose you could give me a guestimate as to how long it'd take me to get UDP working with your modified CSA?

[11:15] < mhrd> hmm ...

[11:15] *** orphans is trying to work out scheduling

[11:18] < mhrd> it shouldn't be hard ... you just need to modify how the socket is set up in MulticastTransciever.py runClient() method

[11:18] < mhrd> I'm a bit rusty on my python socket stuff atm though, so I might be missing something

[11:18] < mhrd> you're very welcome to take a copy and try

[11:19] < mhrd> what do you mean by scheduling in this context?

[11:19] < vmlemon_> Hi

[11:19] < orphans> my schedule of work :)

[11:19] < orphans> MS- asked us to send it to the list :)

[11:19] < mhrd> ah

[11:20] < mhrd> thought you might have meant this kind of scheduling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheduling_(computing)

[11:20] < mhrd> :)

[11:20] < orphans> I should really stop using computer words in non-computer sentances

[11:21] < mhrd> I'd guess it shouldn't take more than a day or two to try and test out ... I think the modification looks really simple; but as I said, I could be very wrong

[11:21] < mhrd> heh, np. it had valid RealLife(tm) meanings before computers came along

[11:22] < mhrd> does that help, or am I being too non-committal?

[11:22] < orphans> no, that's awesome

[11:22] < mhrd> cool.

[11:23] < orphans> I thought it might be one of these horrible two weeks of digging in something I'm pretty clueless about

[11:23] < mhrd> the thing that probably will be harder is working out how to integrate it ... since it was an experiment that required mods to CSA and possibly the Selector iirc

[11:24] < orphans> yeah, I'll have a look at the diffs for them and see how much I understand :)

[11:24] < orphans> I may be bugging you constantly when I get to sorting that bit out properly :)

[11:24] < mhrd> its np

[11:25] < mhrd> I'm fighting with SMIL and Ambulant player atm, so pretty much anything else is more fun atm

[11:26] < orphans> looks fun

[11:28] < orphans> right, will get the schedule off and get on with revision - thanks mhrd

[11:30] < Lawouach_> back from lunch

[11:30] < Lawouach_> hi orphans

[11:30] < mhrd> lunch ... good idea

[11:30] < Lawouach_> go study!

[11:30] < orphans> ahh, studying :)

[11:35] < Lawouach_> http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/26/232221&from=rss

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[11:41] *** Lawouach_ is listening to The Streets

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[11:51] < Davbo> Poor Lawouach_, do you want me to send you some real music? ;-)

[11:52] < Davbo> Afternoon all btw :-)

[11:52] < Lawouach_> I actually enjoy The Streets

[11:52] < Lawouach_> what's wrong with them?

[11:53] < vmlemon_> Davbo: Does that mean that imitation music exists? ;)

[11:54] < Davbo> Can't stand The Streets, mostly because of their "sound"

[11:55] *** vmlemon_ hates CAPTCHAs

[11:55] < Davbo> rapper from Birmingham, it just doesn't work for me Lawouach_ :-)

[11:56] < Lawouach_> :)

[11:56] < Lawouach_> I actually enjoy them for their sound as well as the fun of their text

[11:56] < Lawouach_> I can understand it doesn't suit everyone though

[11:56] < Davbo> I can't stand Arctic Monkeys for similar reasons. Despite them coming from where I live.

[11:56] < Lawouach_> Not a big fan of Arctic Monkeys

[11:56] < Lawouach_> Another "the best band of the World of the wee"

[11:57] < Lawouach_> That was supposed to read "week"

[11:57] < Davbo> Hehe

[11:57] < Lawouach_> But I feel it was appropriate too

[11:57] < vmlemon_> Ugh, a world of urine? ;)

[11:57] < Davbo> Agreed :-)

[11:57] < vmlemon_> How classy

[11:58] < vmlemon_> Ugh, Yahoo!'s post code location system is dumb

[11:58] < vmlemon_> It always says "This postal code is not located in the country you selected" despite my postcode being valid

[11:59] < Lawouach_> Imagine if it was saying "dude you live in such a shitty hole"

[11:59] < Lawouach_> :)

[11:59] < vmlemon_> Haha

[11:59] < vmlemon_> Well, Boroughbridge is a pretty crappy place to live

[11:59] < Lawouach_> Or "I had sex with your sister there too yes"

[11:59] < Davbo> That being said Lawouach_, I do have an album by The Streets which I have been known to listen to :P

[11:59] < Lawouach_> Davbo: which one?

[12:00] < Davbo> Original Pirate Material i think

[12:00] < Davbo> i'd have to look upstairs

[12:00] < Davbo> My ex-girlfriend hated it, I think she conditioned me against it ;-)

[12:01] < Lawouach_> I love it :)

[12:08] < Lawouach_> Davbo: regarding The Streets, I think it reminds me of the time I spent in the UK

[12:08] < Lawouach_> Why I don't kow. But it does.

[12:09] < Lawouach_> So I suppose that makes me biaised :)

[12:09] < vmlemon_> Just wondering, you're originally from here? Or France?

[12:10] < Lawouach_> France

[12:10] < vmlemon_> Aah

[12:10] < Lawouach_> I've lived in the UK for about 3 years

[12:11] < Lawouach_> I arrived in late 2003, came back to France during 2005 and went back again to the UK in 2006 and 2007

[12:11] < Lawouach_> I used to live in Reading. I lived for 3 months in London somewhere in the middle :)

[12:12] < Davbo> I'd have thought you'd want to forget about the UK, all of us that live here do ;-)

[12:12] < vmlemon_> We're obviously a little too uninteresting as a country, then ;)

[12:12] < Lawouach_> Stoke Newington right next to the Mosque :)

[12:12] < Lawouach_> Davbo, vmlemon_: well no. I long hesitated in settling for good over there.

[12:12] < vmlemon_> Aah

[12:13] < vmlemon_> OK

[12:13] < Lawouach_> After the company I was involved in the US failed last November I got a contract in London. Went over ther. Signed it. Then handed it back as I realized I need to come back to France for a while.

[12:13] < Lawouach_> Travelling has one curse

[12:13] < Lawouach_> Everywhere and nowhere is your home.

[12:14] < vmlemon_> At least you have the Eiffel tower, and croissants ;)

[12:14] < vmlemon_> Unlike us ;)

[12:14] < vmlemon_> We only have crappy, slow giant ferris wheel

[12:14] < vmlemon_> ;)

[12:14] < Lawouach_> ah well...

[12:14] < Davbo> We have Blackpool tower and Yorkshire puddings.

[12:14] < vmlemon_> and that ill fated dome thing

[12:14] < Lawouach_> Two English friends are coming over this weekend actually

[12:15] < Davbo> Cool Lawouach_, but I wouldn't want to travel all the time either

[12:15] < Lawouach_> You've got Alton Towers that is way better than Parc Asteric or Dysney Land

[12:15] *** vmlemon_ has never been there

[12:15] < Lawouach_> Alton Towers? I've spent great time over there. It rocks :)

[12:16] < Davbo> I quite like Disney Land :)

[12:16] < Davbo> I've only been the France once

[12:16] < Lawouach_> Anyway both countries have their downsides.

[12:16] < vmlemon_> "Theme parks?!? In England?!?! I thought they only had old people who drink tea and knit, and farmers in their 60's, and probably supermarkets" ;)

[12:17] *** vmlemon_ ducks...

[12:18] *** Lawouach_ shoots the duck

[12:19] < vmlemon_> Quack, bubble... splash!

[12:20] < Davbo> I have my pictures of the Eiffel tower and Champs-Elyses (forgive my spelling) on the wall next to me :-)

[12:20] < vmlemon_> Bye-bye Birdie

[12:20] < vmlemon_> At least you didn't spell it phonetically, as some people have done... ("Shonz Eleesays"?)

[12:21] < Davbo> hehe

[12:22] < Davbo> One big horrific one-way system

[12:22] < Davbo> I'd hate to drive in Paris

[12:22] < Lawouach_> I did.

[12:22] < Lawouach_> Once.

[12:23] < Lawouach_> That was... hmmm... not fun.

[12:23] < Lawouach_> London is rather country side next to Paris IMO

[12:23] < Davbo> Depends where in London

[12:24] < Lawouach_> I suppose :)

[12:26] < Lawouach_> When I lived in Stoke Newington I had to go accross North London to reach Uxbridge

[12:26] < Lawouach_> 2 hours each way by car

[12:26] < Lawouach_> It was not fun either.

[12:26] < Davbo> ooo I almost moved to Uxbridge

[12:27] < Lawouach_> That's why I moved.

[12:27] < Lawouach_> Uxbridge is rather dead :)

[12:27] < Davbo> I applied to Brunel university

[12:27] < Davbo> which is there

[12:27] < Davbo> I think.

[12:27] < Lawouach_> But it has the advantage of being really close of the M25, M4 and M3

[12:27] < Lawouach_> Meaning you can escape :)

[12:27] < Davbo> lol

[12:27] < Davbo> Yeah I didn't really like it

[12:27] < Davbo> I much prefer Sheffield

[12:28] < Davbo> I'm completely biased but Sheffield is by far my favourite city of all the ones i've visited.

[12:29] < Lawouach_> Never been there

[12:35] < vmlemon_> Ugh, I've just heard about the fuel tax nightmare here

[12:36] < vmlemon_> Way to go Gordon, you've upset a load of truckers and caused motorway blockades

[12:36] < vmlemon_> not to mention the backlash from your own side

[12:37] *** Davbo sings - "Gordon Brown, texture like sun..."

[12:38] < vmlemon_> Haha

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[13:11] < vmlemon_> Ugh, Firefox keeps SEGFAULTing whilst trying to render a certain page

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[14:37] < j_baker> Morning and/or afternoon to everyone

[14:39] < Lawouach_> hi j_baker

[14:39] < vmlemon_> Hi

[15:12] < Davbo> Anyone know a good plugin to stop spam on WordPress?

[15:12] Reply: Hm?

[15:21] < j_baker> Askimet, Davbo

[15:21] < j_baker> It should be included with it.

[15:23] < Davbo> oh i see it

[15:23] < Davbo> thanks j_baker

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[16:03] < j_baker-laptop> Why does the mac version of subversion suck so much?

[16:06] < vmlemon_> "It's by design" ;)

[16:07] < j_baker-laptop> To be fair, git is even worse

[16:25] *** Davbo has found a very interesting bug

[16:26] < Davbo> When passing "clear" through the ProcessGraphline only the first letter "c" actually reaches the destination inbox, the rest is seemingly discarded

[16:26] < Davbo> I wonder if MS is aware of that

[16:27] < Davbo> humm

[16:31] < Davbo> back later

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[16:55] < j_baker-laptop> Does anybody know an easy way to checkout all of the branches in the branches directory in SVN except for one?

[16:57] < zaheerm> checkout the branches dir, then rm -rf the one you don't want :)

[16:57] < mhrd> not sure - you could try using the -N (non-recursion) flag on the root, then running svn update/checkout on each of the branches except the one you don't want

[16:57] < mhrd> (not tried that though)

[16:58] < j_baker-laptop> Well, there's one particular branch that's causing me problems and it won't install on my macbook, zaheerm.

[16:58] < j_baker-laptop> I was just going to try and skip it and see if the rest of them work.

[17:23] < mhrd> if you don't already know, you can browse the repository online if you need to get a list of what branches there are: http://kamaelia.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/kamaelia/branches/

[17:23] < mhrd> the problem you're experiencing is a lack of a case sensitive filesystem on your mac :)

[17:23] < mhrd> (see email to the list)

[17:26] < j_baker-laptop> I see. I hadn't thought of that.

[17:27] < j_baker-laptop> In the meantime I just checked out the branch I needed in a separate repository.

[17:28] < mhrd> cool

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[17:57] < j_baker-laptop> mhrd - my understanding of the threadedcomponent is that if it creates another component, that component runs in the same thread?

[17:57] < j_baker-laptop> Is that correct?

[17:58] *** mhrd thinks for a sec

[17:58] < mhrd> no it doesn't

[17:59] < j_baker-laptop> Really? What I noticed is that if I create a component from within a threadedcomponent, it seems to die off at the same time as the threaded component.

[17:59] < mhrd> threadedcomponent doesn't create a whole new environment for the thread (its own scheduler, etc...) - it simply puts a protective wrapping between the thread and teh rest of teh system

[17:59] < mhrd> oh?

[18:00] < mhrd> can you commit an example that demos this?

[18:00] < j_baker-laptop> But when I create it somewhere else and pass it to the threadedcomponent as an __init__ argument, it doesn't do that.

[18:00] < j_baker-laptop> I believe I can.

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[21:38] < mhrd-home> j_baker: see my reply on the list. short answer is "I don't know ... I need a simpler example to look at!" :-)

[21:38] < vmlemon_> Hmm, slightly off-topic, but analogue TV here is UHF?

[21:39] < mhrd-home> here = UK? yes

[21:39] < vmlemon_> OK

[21:39] < j_baker-laptop> Sorry, I should have done that sooner, mhrd. :)

[21:39] < mhrd-home> heh :)

[21:39] < j_baker-laptop> I'll see if I can get you a better sample

[21:39] < j_baker-laptop> On the upside, I have MoinMoin working in the server. :)

[21:40] < mhrd-home> either something simpler, or a really detailed pedantic set of "type this, expect this", "I think this bit should be doing this" yada yada :)

[21:40] < mhrd-home> nice :)

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[23:53] *** Davbo has posted his strange bug to the ML and is off to ebd

[23:54] < Davbo> s/ebd/bed

[23:54] < Davbo> Night all

[23:54] < bcarlyon|laptop> night

[23:54] < j_baker-laptop> night