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[08:03] < ms-> Do you have to be root? No. But the path to where the Axon & Kamaelia directories needs to be on sys.path

[08:03] < ms-> Essentially

[08:07] < ms-> also, just dumping Axon & Kamaelia directories directly below the app to be run will also work

[08:07] < ms-> since "import Axon"

[08:07] < ms-> looks for

[08:08] < ms-> "./Axon.py"

[08:08] < ms-> "./Axon/__init__.py"

[08:08] < ms-> the first item that exists in [ x+"/Axon.py" for x in sys.path]

[08:08] < ms-> the first item that exists in [ x+"/Axon/__init__.py" for x in sys.path]

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[11:57] < Lawouach> afternoon

[11:57] < Lawouach> wow bit tired

[11:57] < Lawouach> had a party at my flat yesterday

[11:57] < Lawouach> ouch :)

[11:58] < ms-> heh

[11:58] < ms-> good party I hope :)

[11:58] < Lawouach> it was indeed :)

[11:58] < ms-> :)

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[14:22] < vmlemon_> Hi

[14:22] < ms-> hi

[14:24] < Davbo> afternoon all

[14:24] < Davbo> Going for my first proper vote today :)

[14:25] < Davbo> I bet that novelty will wear off quickly

[14:26] < ms-> Gosh.

[14:27] < vmlemon_> Ugh, it looks like my Nokia won't charge any more, after I managed to run the battery out and it kept giving "Not Charging" errors for some reason

[14:29] < ms-> Could be a duff battery

[14:29] < ms-> I've had that happen before and can happen if a battery is allowed to drain completely

[14:31] *** Davbo officially hates Java

[14:31] < ms-> heheh

[14:31] < ms-> Join the clan

[14:31] < vmlemon_> I hope that the charging circuit hasn't failed, since when I plug the charger in, it doesn't beep :(

[14:32] < Davbo> if (classpath==baneOfDavesExistance) { System.out.println("/me officially hates Java"); }

[14:33] < Davbo> Could they not think of a better way to handle it instead of an environment variable

[14:33] < ms-> ~> python

[14:33] < ms-> Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Jan 10 2008, 18:01:57)

[14:33] < ms-> [GCC 4.2.1 (SUSE Linux)] on linux2

[14:33] < ms-> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.

[14:33] < ms-> >>> assert "JavaSucks"

[14:33] < ms-> >>> assert "Python Sucks" == True

[14:33] < ms-> Traceback (most recent call last):

[14:33] < ms-> File "< stdin>", line 1, in < module>

[14:33] < ms-> AssertionError

[14:33] < ms-> handle... ?

[14:33] < Davbo> classpath

[14:34] < ms-> ah

[14:34] < Davbo> as soon as you want to use a package it throws it in your face

[14:34] < ms-> ah

[14:34] < ms-> Well, at least you have a standard location for.

[14:34] < ms-> oh.

[14:34] < ms-> hold on

[14:34] < Davbo> "Oh you want to use a package - all right but now i'll forget where everything else is"

[14:34] < ms-> :)

[14:35] < Davbo> lol ms-

[14:35] *** ms- just found out how to order books at work

[14:35] < Davbo> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Java_Programming/StarImports#Futureproofing

[14:35] < Davbo> equally obscene

[14:36] < Davbo> This is why they all use Eclipse

[14:36] < vmlemon_> Hah, how fitting for a politician, our Conservative candidate's surname here is Windass (insert joke about politicians and hot air)

[14:36] < Davbo> lol

[14:37] < ms-> That reminds me, I ought to go vote for someone who doesn't know me, or care

[14:37] < vmlemon_> (Yes, really)

[14:38] < ms-> It'd be amusing to see what would happen if they weren't allowed to say the party of the person on the ballot paper

[14:39] < Davbo> the person we've got at the minute quit her job a few weeks a go then later that same day announced that she was staying

[14:39] < Davbo> talk about losing all credibility

[14:39] < Davbo> "I resign!" "Actually I think i'll stay"

[14:39] < vmlemon_> Hah

[14:43] < Davbo> YAY MY PROGRAM COMPILES

[14:43] < Davbo> PRAISE THE LORD!

[14:43] *** ms- praises lord sutch, but wonders why

[14:57] < Davbo> s/LORD/SUN GOD

[14:57] < Davbo> You have to worship Ra to get your Java programs to compile

[15:06] < vmlemon_> Sun (Microsystems) God?

[15:07] < ms-> Well that'd mean the God of Java

[15:08] < ms-> which probably means the lady in the Starbucks logo

[15:08] < vmlemon_> Hah

[15:10] < vmlemon_> The BT Piper, even?...

[15:13] < ms-> heh

[15:14] < vmlemon_> wonders if the Sun god reads his own newspaper

[15:14] < vmlemon_> *I wonder

[15:23] < Davbo> cool little bit in the BBC R&D review '06-'07 about Kamaelia

[15:27] < vmlemon_> The fancy PDF, or a footnote on a document?

[15:28] < Davbo> http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/annual-review/index.shtml

[15:28] < Davbo> it's only a little bit

[15:31] < Davbo> WOOO!

[15:31] < Davbo> YAY!

[15:31] < Davbo> deadline for group project has been extended to next tuesday

[15:33] < Davbo> and repair status on EEE is Final Testing()

[15:52] *** Davbo just got back from voting :)

[15:55] < ms-> Davbo: thanks for the comment about the annual review. I wrote that page, and then it was editted.

[15:55] < ms-> Removing some of the words/bits that make it all make sense, but hey :)

[15:55] < ms-> Some inaccuracies added in etc

[15:55] < ms-> :)

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[15:58] < Davbo> oh no, I do understand ms- I didn't mean to say that was a good bit about Kamaelia but it was cool to see it

[15:58] < Davbo> i was reading it like "Kamaelia is about so much more than this..."

[15:59] < ms-> Indeed :)

[16:00] < Davbo> it doesn't surprise me that it was edited to be like that though

[16:00] < vmlemon_> Hmm, just wondering, can anyone make sense of the diagram at http://paster.dazjorz.com/?p=2823 ?

[16:00] *** ms- looks

[16:01] < vmlemon_> What does urine extraction have to do with Kamaelia?

[16:01] < Davbo> lol

[16:01] < Davbo> I told ms- to change to topic and that's what he did :(

[16:01] < Davbo> :P

[16:01] < ms-> "be careful what you wish for"

[16:01] < ms-> ;)

[16:01] < Davbo> haha

[16:01] < vmlemon_> It's in the topic...

[16:02] < Davbo> Yeah I told him to change it from what it was before

[16:02] < vmlemon_> Aah

[16:02] < ms-> vmlemon_: debateably, urine extraction has a lot to do with it - since take the p is a fairly common activity....

[16:02] < ms-> sorry, will change

[16:02] *** ms- changed the topic to Don't ask to ask, just ask (channel is logged: http://yeoldeclue.com/logs/)

[16:03] *** ms- looks at vmlemons diagram

[16:04] < ms-> Using IRC to build a distributed filesystem?

[16:04] < Davbo> Yeah it's for that IRC File Server

[16:04] < Davbo> clever idea

[16:05] < Davbo> "Somewhat Convoluted" is an understatement lol

[16:05] < vmlemon_> Building a file system-based IRC client

[16:05] < Davbo> I'm not sure how it works though

[16:06] < ms-> That's a really quite odd idea

[16:06] < Davbo> it's not an fserve vmlemon_?

[16:06] < Davbo> I assumed it was http://ircfs.sourceforge.net/

[16:06] < Davbo> which is a standalone fserve

[16:08] < vmlemon_> Nope, it uses an external daemon to connect to an IRC server so that the FSServer can present it as an FS

[16:09] < Davbo> hmm

[16:09] *** Davbo isn't sure he follows

[16:10] < ms-> I'm guessing "tail -f #kamaelia "

[16:10] < ms-> vs echo "Hello" >> #kamaelia

[16:11] < Davbo> hmm

[16:11] < Davbo> that didn't help :(

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[16:14] < vmlemon_> You'd have a structure like /irc/irc.freenode.net/#kamaelia/ with a WholeChannel "file" and a file for each nick in the channel

[16:15] < Davbo> I see what ms- meant now

[16:16] < ms-> I can see what it'd be useful for

[16:16] < ms-> since it gives a mechanism for random programmes to communicate with something outside the system

[16:16] *** ms- thinks about that for a while

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[16:24] < vmlemon_> The cat and tail utilization is spot on, though

[16:25] < vmlemon_> *echo

[16:25] < ms-> Hm.

[16:26] < ms-> why did I never notice "cat & tail" being among the two most useful unix commands

[16:27] < vmlemon_> Things would put text to it, and poll it for new incoming text periodically

[16:27] < ms-> yep

[16:27] < ms-> It was more the "cat & tail" out of context aspect versus a certain picture of a cat...

[16:27] < ms-> I'll get my coat

[16:27] < Davbo> cat = concatenate ? tail = print the last x lines?

[16:27] < ms-> Davbo: yep

[16:28] < Davbo> cool

[16:28] < Davbo> i'm still learning

[16:28] < vmlemon_> Or do something with the modification times, since all data gets buffered

[16:28] < Davbo> tail -f = keep watching the file?

[16:28] < Davbo> print what gets added kinda thing

[16:29] < Davbo> also: lol! ms- I just got that joke

[16:30] < vmlemon_> Pretty much

[16:30] < vmlemon_> Hah

[16:30] *** Davbo looks at man tail

[16:30] < Davbo> oops man tail out of context

[16:30] < Davbo> agh

[16:30] < Davbo> :|

[16:30] < Davbo> I'll get my coat

[16:31] *** ms- sniggers at http://teddziuba.com/2008/04/im-going-to-scale-my-foot-up-y.html

[16:36] < mhrd_afk> nice punchline :)

[16:38] < ms-> http://diveintomark.org/archives/2007/04/16/dhh-translation is rather amusing too

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[17:47] < vmlemon_> Hi again

[18:02] < Davbo> Going on GTA for a while

[18:02] < Davbo> back later.

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[19:33] < vmlemon_> kamaeliabot: dance

[19:33] Reply: does the macarena

[19:50] < vmlemon_> Oh, how fun, one of the floorboards upstairs is starting to cave in

[19:50] < ms-> oh great

[19:51] < vmlemon_> Part of the wood has a huge split in it, and of course it's now slightly flexible

[19:56] < ms-> hm

[19:56] < ms-> not very good

[19:57] < vmlemon_> The joys of "cheap" housing

[19:58] < ms-> indeed

[20:03] < vmlemon_> Like Tesco Value in performance, longevity and quality, but without the "Tesco Value" bit...

[20:04] < ms-> Well, you'll be saying next you want an M&S home

[20:04] < vmlemon_> Hah

[20:05] < vmlemon_> It's Harrogate Borough Council doing the tennancies, so I don't expect much

[20:16] < vmlemon_> "Only the crumbliest, flakiest houses"

[20:17] < vmlemon_> Blatent rip-off of the Flake ad :)

[20:22] *** vmlemon_ was going to prepare some diagrams for an upcoming project, but doesn't have either a copy of Inkscape or the project logo handy

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[22:38] < Davbo> Evenin' all

[22:41] < j_baker> hello

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