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[01:35] < Davbo-eee> nice to see someone else watches bsg ms-away |
[01:37] < Davbo-eee> dont spoil this week though not seen it yet |
[01:37] < Davbo-eee> just back from the pub |
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[08:39] < vmlemon> Hah, http://www.johnmwillis.com/other/top-10-worst-captchas/ |
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[09:52] < MS-> morning |
[09:53] < orphans> morning MS- |
[09:53] < orphans> how it going? |
[09:53] < MS-> Lawouach: Got your mail btw |
[09:54] < MS-> orphans: hiya - good - sun is shining, nice weather. Got given an extra shot (by accident/free) of espresso in my coffee this morning which is great |
[09:54] < orphans> that is good :) |
[09:54] < MS-> yourself? |
[09:54] < orphans> not too bad ta, although it's absolutely freezing here - I think I'm going to need to put gloves on soon :) |
[09:57] < orphans> I saw on #gsoc that the assignments had been redone - did you get the extra you wanted? |
[09:58] < MS-> we have. (We're still discussing) |
[09:58] < MS-> but it's great that we have |
[09:58] < MS-> :) |
[09:58] < MS-> One less person to say "sorry" to |
[09:59] < orphans> :) glad to hear |
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[10:06] < MS-> I think if we had sufficient resources, there would be 12 people being mentored - however that's massively more than we have capacity for. |
[10:07] < orphans> yeah, you working on about two per mentor? |
[10:07] *** orphans digs for info :D |
[10:26] < Lawouach> hello |
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[10:28] < Chong> Good morning, everyone. Today's weather is really nice. |
[10:28] < orphans> morning Lawouach, Chong |
[10:29] < orphans> grr, all you Manchester folk and your sunnyness |
[10:29] < Chong> yes.:-) |
[10:30] < Chong> How about the weather in your city? |
[10:30] < Chong> MS-: glad to hear that we have got one extra slot for gsoc. |
[10:31] < orphans> Chong, grey and cold |
[10:32] < Chong> orphans: sorry to hear about it. |
[10:33] < Chong> But it may be good for sleep:-) |
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[11:11] < vmlemon> Hi |
[11:32] < MS-> vmlemon: hi |
[11:36] < Chong> Hey vmlemon, MS-. |
[11:36] < Chong> MS-: when can we know the final result of gsoc? |
[11:38] < MS-> As soon as we know :) |
[11:39] < MS-> Everyone is ranking and re-ranking right now, assigning mentors etc |
[11:39] *** orphans crosses fingers |
[11:42] < Chong> Thanks for your info, MS-. I see the result will come out this week from the time line on gsoc website. |
[11:42] < MS-> Have you registered your id with NickServ BTW? |
[11:42] < Chong> ***crosses my fingers here too |
[11:42] < MS-> If you haven't then off channel messages won't be recieved ... |
[11:45] < vmlemon> You can't send them either, if you haven't registered |
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[11:48] < LawAtWork> back |
[11:58] < Chong> not yet. |
[12:12] < MS-> OK, I'm off for food |
[12:12] < MS-> biab |
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[12:17] < Davbo> afternoon all |
[12:23] < vmlemon> Hi Davbo |
[12:23] < vmlemon> o.O "I'm pretty sure 6000K refers to the color temperature, I don't think a streetlight could ever reach 5727 Celsius without frying people around it." |
[12:25] < Davbo> how's vmlemon this lovely day? |
[12:25] < Chong> It seems my nickname has already been registered my someone. |
[12:25] < vmlemon> Ouch |
[12:25] < vmlemon> I'm OK |
[12:26] < Chong> afternoon, Davbo. |
[12:28] < Davbo> good :) - ooo you got another slot MS- |
[12:28] < vmlemon> Hmm, http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=496584&cid=22832334 |
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[12:32] < vmlemon> wi2 |
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[13:02] < Chong-> Off to a school seminar, see you all later. |
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[13:53] < MS-> Davbo: indeed :) |
[13:53] < Davbo> t'is good news! |
[13:54] < MS-> Indeed. Means only 7 people (out of the good apps this is) get disappointed, rather than than 8. |
[13:54] < MS-> The other couple of dozen would be disappointed anyway |
[13:55] < Davbo> at least there is one more |
[13:55] < MS-> Indeed :) |
[13:55] *** orphans does maths - 12-7=5? |
[13:55] < MS-> That's the current number, yes. I'm guessing/hoping that's it. |
[13:56] < MS-> But some orgs numbers have gone down - but that appears voluntary |
[13:57] < orphans> guess thats a nice number between the three of you |
[13:57] < MS-> Yep. Much more than that isn't really manageable |
[13:57] < orphans> yeah |
[14:02] < Davbo> what proportion is that of all the apps you recieved MS-? |
[14:02] < vmlemon> See you later |
[14:03] < Davbo> cya vmlemon |
[14:03] < MS-> Davbo: I don't know actually. |
[14:03] < MS-> Probably a teeny weeny fraction |
[14:04] < MS-> under 1/2% it looks like |
[14:04] < MS-> Which sounds about right |
[14:04] < MS-> That's based on a guess of overall figures |
[14:04] < Davbo> Ah right |
[14:04] < MS-> It's more than Dirac though for example |
[14:05] < MS-> and obviously less than the python software foundation |
[14:05] < orphans> how many did dirac get? |
[14:06] < MS-> Less than half us |
[14:06] < MS-> (in terms of apps & slots) |
[14:06] < MS-> However I think overall its good |
[14:06] < MS-> Since there were probably more dirac focussed apps this year than last |
[14:06] < MS-> And a better selection of dirac apps too |
[14:06] < Davbo> interesting |
[14:07] < MS-> also, the number of apps in both cases kinda matches what's reasonable to mentor/turn away without disappointing too many people |
[14:07] < MS-> OK, I have to write something completely unrelated now |
[14:07] < MS-> (not here) |
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[14:09] < orphans> heh, as do I - about 1000 words on flipping motion tracking |
[14:11] < Davbo> Python Software Foundation |
[14:13] < MS-busy> orphans: I would far rather that |
[14:13] < orphans> :) swapsies? |
[14:14] < Davbo> don't say that before you know what MS-busy is writing! :P |
[14:15] < bcarlyon|lsrfm> He is writing about why the BBC should give him more money for being amazin'! |
[14:16] < orphans> honestly, it could be a letter telling Mike Tyson I'm looking for a fight with my name address and phone number and I'd still rather be writing it than this report |
[14:16] < orphans> it's getting very tedious :) |
[14:20] < MS-busy> bcarlyon|lsrfm: Ha! I wish |
[14:20] < MS-busy> Davbo: Good instincts |
[14:20] < MS-busy> orphans: You really don't want to swap |
[14:22] < orphans> MS-busy, I'll take your word for it :) |
[14:22] *** orphans gets drafting that letter to Iron Mike |
[14:22] < Davbo> hahah :) |
[14:22] < orphans> Dear Mr Tyson (or should I say you big wussy girly-girly) |
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[15:15] < Chong-> Afternoon, all. |
[15:15] < j_baker> hello |
[15:16] < Chong-> j_baker: hi, hows it going? |
[15:17] < j_baker> Not too bad. |
[15:17] < j_baker> How is everything for you? |
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[15:20] < Chong-> I'm all right. today is a little busy, but the weather is very good. |
[15:20] < Chong-> Though now it becomes groomy again:-) |
[15:43] < Chong-> head for home. See you later. |
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[15:43] < j_baker> biab |
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[16:18] < Lawouach> back home |
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[17:26] < vmlemon_> Hi |
[17:31] < vmlemon_> kamaeliabot: dance |
[17:31] Reply: does the macarena |
[17:38] < vmlemon_> kamaeliabot: ecky |
[17:38] Reply: Ptang! |
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[19:13] < vmlemon_> Hi Davbo |
[19:14] < Davbo> Hey vmlemon_ |
[19:14] < vmlemon_> Yay, I managed to download a song over Gnutella successfully, without any speed problems or server dropout issues |
[19:15] < vmlemon_> it only took about 10 minutes, even though I probably have a slower connection than most |
[19:15] < Davbo> lol :) |
[19:17] < vmlemon_> I've put a screenshot of the client and the KPPP connection speed thing at http://house404.co.uk/frostwire1.png, if you're curious/have doubts... |
[19:19] < Davbo> ah cool |
[19:20] < vmlemon_> I don't think I'll go to the hassle/risk of trying to share it back over Gnutella whilst on GPRS, though |
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[19:20] < MS-> evening |
[19:21] < vmlemon_> Hi MS- |
[19:21] < Davbo> Yeah i wouldn't bother either vmlemon_ |
[19:21] < Davbo> Hey MS- |
[19:23] < vmlemon_> It'd be extremely slow, and I don't want to invoke the wrath of Orange/some weird Japanese recording industry board, should they cotton on to the idea of their users sharing ancient/fairly rare music files over Gnutella (although I'm effectively behind a gigantic NAT, and I know no-one other than myself who likes ZARD/Sakai Izumi's music) ;) |
[19:23] < vmlemon_> Although the chance of the latter happening are extremely low |
[19:24] < vmlemon_> I've always disabled sharing on Gnutella clients, though as a precaution |
[19:25] < vmlemon_> I don't think I'll even bother trying BitTorrent... |
[19:26] < Davbo> Yeah i'm more of a bittorrent man, not into any of those Gnutella clients |
[19:27] < vmlemon_> I personally hate BitTorrent - even on ADSL, it seems slower than HTTP (even for very small (10MB or less) files), and it takes ages to actually get the download up to speed |
[19:27] < vmlemon_> I remember spending weeks trying to download a 30MB file on it |
[19:27] < vmlemon_> which would have taken under 20 minutes over HTTP otherwise |
[19:28] < Davbo> Depends on the tracker really |
[19:28] < vmlemon_> Although if you do manage to find a working torrent, and endure an indefinite period of waiting, you can find some interesting/otherwise hard to find things |
[19:29] < vmlemon_> (I used to download various pieces of old/"abandoned" software (mostly OSes)) |
[19:34] < Lawouach> MS-, http://www.defuze.org/oss/misc/kamaeliacachegrind.jpg |
[19:34] < Lawouach> Someone on #cherrypy showed me about KCacheGrind |
[19:34] < Lawouach> so I did run a profiler on my XMPP test client |
[19:34] < Lawouach> Look what I got :) |
[19:34] < MS-> What am I looking at? |
[19:35] < Lawouach> The UI is in French |
[19:35] < Lawouach> well |
[19:35] < MS-> Is that internals of the gc? |
[19:35] < Lawouach> it's a representation of the output of the Python profiler |
[19:35] < MS-> (essentially) |
[19:35] < Lawouach> yeap |
[19:35] < MS-> I don't know whether that's a good picture or bad |
[19:35] < Lawouach> amount spent in each function call and how many times those function were called |
[19:36] < MS-> Does look a bit like modern art though |
[19:36] < Lawouach> :) |
[19:36] < Lawouach> well it's good and bad |
[19:36] < Lawouach> good because overall most of the time is spent on idling (time.sleep) |
[19:36] < Lawouach> however it also shows the complexity of Kamaelia and Axon |
[19:37] < Lawouach> considering the number of distinct calls made |
[19:37] < Lawouach> anyway :) |
[19:37] < MS-> I'm not sure that's per se a huge problem - when I first did the tests for eliminating the postman |
[19:37] < MS-> ie direct delivery between boxes |
[19:38] < MS-> my starting point was to write a simple relatively graphics intensive game |
[19:38] < MS-> and benchmark that |
[19:38] < MS-> and then mini-axon-ify that with direct deliveries |
[19:38] < MS-> which is where the bouncing cat game comes from |
[19:38] < MS-> the overhead of *that* was ~5% overall |
[19:38] < MS-> I suspect with real axon it's higher though |
[19:40] < Lawouach> I see. |
[19:43] < MS-> That said this sort of profiling does look useful :) |
[19:44] < MS-> It's a step up from some of the introspecting approaches we've done before |
[19:44] < MS-> Though that can be useful too |
[19:44] < Lawouach> Well the view helps a lot to quickly spot the potential guilty call |
[19:45] < MS-> yep |
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[19:57] < Chong-> Good evening, everyone. |
[19:57] < vmlemon_> Hi Chong- |
[20:01] < Chong-> vmlemon_: hows it going? |
[20:01] < vmlemon_> OK |
[20:02] < Chong-> good |
[20:55] < vmlemon_> Hmm, any suggestions for semi-private SVN repository hosting? |
[20:59] < MS-> The only svn repos that I know of are all on open source hosting websites |
[21:00] < MS-> Oh, for people who keep asking on tenterhooks about slots and "am I in or not", it's probably worth mentioning |
[21:01] < MS-> that there's been an email on the mentor list, stating that we should NOT contact students to let you are in/out |
[21:01] < MS-> because Google wish to announce the accepted students on 21 April |
[21:01] < MS-> This also makes sense considering that given all the re-ranking going on happens at different rates and could uncover clashes along the way |
[21:02] < MS-> I know that's frustrating, but hey, we do our best :) |
[21:04] < Davbo> :) |
[21:04] < Davbo> not long now anyway |
[21:25] < vmlemon_> Hah, |
[21:25] < vmlemon_> [22:24] < probono> can we search for a free svn server? |
[21:25] < vmlemon_> [22:24] < probono> one where this does NOT happen? --> https://OpenSVN.csie.org/ |
[21:26] *** MS- *eyebrow* |
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[23:02] < Chong-> Got to sleep. Good night, all. |
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