[01:05] < Davbo> :)

[01:39] < Davbo> It isn't very difficult to get into an infinite loop with these generators and things

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[08:27] < MS-> morning

[08:54] < barrycarlyon> morning

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[09:11] < MS-> morning

[09:12] < orphans> morning MS-

[09:12] < orphans> how it going?

[09:12] < MS-> The usual - yourself?

[09:12] < orphans> yeah, not too bad

[09:13] < orphans> got an interview for my masters which is cool/scary

[09:13] < MS-> cool

[09:15] < orphans> MS-: my MiniAxon OK? (if you've had time to look at it)

[09:17] < MS-> orphans: Your miniaxon is fine. (Also clear you've not copied and pasted the code since it uses a bit of functionality I don't tend to :)

[09:19] < orphans> heh, took my about half an hour to work out why I was counting to 98 rather than 100 :)

[09:19] < MS-> That's good

[09:19] < MS-> (since you did take the time :) )

[09:20] < orphans> I thought I probably ought to given that this is supposed to be something that someone with a weeks python experience can do. felt slightly embarassed :D

[09:20] < MS-> I gave the person with a week's experience of python a week to do it BTW

[09:22] < orphans> yeah, that seems pretty plausible. Theres quite a few good things you'll learn in MiniAxon I reckon - quite a nice starting task learning python

[09:24] < MS-> Indeed - I've had similar comments from the python-tutor list about that

[09:32] < barrycarlyon> My miniaxon is on step 2, it didnt work for a bit becuase i left out a line, and made an inifinity loop lol

[09:33] < MS-> np - it is a learning exercise - which is why its phrased as questions rather than a walk through :)

[09:33] < barrycarlyon> It was a silly mistake really, for i < 100, forgot to increment i at the end of the loop

[09:34] < MS-> heh

[09:34] < MS-> :)

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[09:55] < vmlemon_> Hi

[09:58] < MS-> And there goes a netsplit

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[10:08] < MS-> Heya

[10:09] < MS-> Lawouach: I've updated the GSOC spreadsheet of the good candidates so far

[10:10] < MS-> At present lack of code for mini axon/component & demo system is set to -10 for people who haven't put them in and 0 for those whom it's coming. For those that've done them I've just put a number as an impression of it

[10:12] < MS-> Other than that the values I've put in are up for discussion/change, but I think it's easier to evaluate them there than in the GSOC webapp

[10:20] < vmlemon_> Hmm, is there a prize for GSoC?

[10:22] < MS-> vmlemon_: Students get $4500, mentors get a t-shirt

[10:22] < MS-> ($500 is offered to the mentoring org per student, but in the BBC's case it just gets so complex when it comes to tax we waive that)

[10:22] < vmlemon_> Aah

[10:23] < MS-> The prize is ideally students who continue to contribute code after GSOC

[10:23] < MS-> Because they're motivated by their project :)

[10:23] < MS-> Hence the focus on fun projects and promoting people to pimp their ideas

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[10:35] < bcarlyon|lsrfm> Morning all, again :-)

[10:40] < vmlemon_> Hi bcarlyon|lsrfm

[11:38] < vmlemon_> Hmm, "The server understood the request, but is refusing to fulfill it. Authorization will not help and the request SHOULD NOT be repeated. If the request method was not HEAD and the server wishes to make public why the request has not been fulfilled, it SHOULD describe the reason for the refusal in the entity. This status code is commonly used when the server does not wish to reveal exactly why the request has been refused, or when no other

[11:38] < vmlemon_> response is applicable."

[11:38] < vmlemon_> Very useful error message...

[11:52] < bcarlyon|lsrfm> lol

[11:58] < MS-> vmlemon_: Aka "No"

[11:59] < vmlemon_> Not sure what was wrong with the default Apache/IIS one on their end

[11:59] < vmlemon_> maybe they like extra-verbose, yet completely useless error messages ;)

[12:06] < MS-> probably

[13:45] < bcarlyon|lsrfm> -+/nick bcarlyon|away

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[15:06] < vmlemon_> o.O "What a good idea and the car manufacturers can pay for all our road upgrades, my printer mfr can pay for all the paper I use, my bath mfr can pay for all the water I wash with - hey, why can't tesco pay for my new kitchen, and my kitchen supplier pay for all my groceries? I *like this...."

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[15:13] < j_baker> Hello

[15:14] < MS-> hi

[15:21] < j_baker> Does anybody know if there's anyway to unimport a module once it's been imported?

[15:21] < MS-> why would you want to?

[15:21] < MS-> do you want to reload the module?

[15:22] < j_baker> I just got to thinking about that sample wsgi server I wrote. It seems a bit inefficient to keep the module in memory forever.

[15:23] < j_baker> (granted it's not meant to be a production quality server by any stretch of the imagination)

[15:24] < j_baker> I was just curious if there's any easy way to unload the module that contains the app once it's done

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[16:08] < simon89> hello

[16:08] < vmlemon_> Hi simon89

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[16:11] *** simon89 note to self: dont press Alt-F4 when you dont know what window is selected :(

[16:14] < MS-> heh

[16:15] < Lawouach> back

[16:16] < simon89> MS-: i got your mail, Im sorry to say but I wont be able to do any coding this weekend due to *alot* of school work

[16:19] < MS-> have you done a mini axon?

[16:20] < simon89> MS-: yes, I see if i can find the code

[16:20] < MS-> Please do

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[16:58] < vmlemon_> Hi

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[17:08] < Davbo> Hey all.

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[17:18] < vmlemon_> Damn connection

[17:19] < vmlemon_> kamaeliabot: ecky

[17:19] Reply: Ptang!

[17:19] < vmlemon_> Hmm, just wondering, does anyone get an image that isn't green on http://www.dephormation.org.uk/server/cookie_test/index.php ?

[17:21] < j_baker> Mine's green

[17:21] < MS-> I get green

[17:22] < Davbo> Green

[17:22] < vmlemon_> Green here

[17:27] < Davbo> Yay for us!

[17:27] < vmlemon_> Hah, yay indeed

[17:28] < MS-> heh

[17:30] < Davbo> aww there are no python bindings for icommand, the instruction set we use to program lego robots

[17:31] < MS-> hm?

[17:31] < simon89> MS-: couldnt find my MinAxon code so i ended up rewriting it: mellby.no-ip.org/kamaelia/

[17:31] < vmlemon_> Could always write some bindings...

[17:31] < vmlemon_> and maybe even Kamaelia components

[17:31] < Davbo> I wouldn't know what to do vmlemon_

[17:31] < MS-> simon89: Thanks :)

[17:32] < Davbo> Oh I see, icommand is a java api for it

[17:32] < Davbo> http://home.comcast.net/~dplau/nxt_python/index.html

[17:32] < Davbo> woo!

[17:33] < vmlemon_> Yay

[17:33] < Davbo> Kamaelia robot time

[17:33] < MS-> :-D

[17:33] < Davbo> I can book out a robot for testing hopefully

[17:34] < Davbo> should be fun.

[17:34] < vmlemon_> Could hook it in with some web services code, and have a remote-controlled robot

[17:34] < MS-> Davbo: the examples in nxt_python-0.7/examples are probably all quite easy to wrap using Kamaelia

[17:35] < MS-> probably easier than your audio scrobbler ideas ...

[17:35] < MS-> :)

[17:35] < Davbo> I programmed one to go about a little wooden pen and take readings for the light intensity in java

[17:35] < Davbo> then output it to the screen like a little map

[17:36] < Davbo> shame the robot fell over in the demo :D

[17:36] < MS-> Davbo: If you created NXT components, and simon89 creates his components right, all sorts of fun and games could ensue

[17:36] < vmlemon_> Seen the Honda Asimo demonstration where the robot falls down a set of stairs?

[17:37] < Davbo> I'm not sure where to start but i'll have a look MS-

[17:37] < MS-> Yeah, that's not surprising though - turns out Asimo is all pre-programmed positionwise

[17:37] < vmlemon_> Or at least the last few steps

[17:37] < MS-> Davbo: the place to start...

[17:38] < MS-> class NXT(Axon.ThreadedComponent.threadedcomponent):

[17:38] < MS-> def main(self):

[17:38] < MS-> < entire body of an example, indented>

[17:38] < MS-> :-)

[17:38] < MS-> eg

[17:38] < MS-> def play_song(b):

[17:38] < MS-> b.play_tone_and_wait(FREQ_E, 500)

[17:38] < MS-> b.play_tone_and_wait(FREQ_D, 500)

[17:38] < MS-> b.play_tone_and_wait(FREQ_C, 500)

[17:38] < MS-> b.play_tone_and_wait(FREQ_D, 500)

[17:38] < MS-> b.play_tone_and_wait(FREQ_E, 500)

[17:38] < MS-> b.play_tone_and_wait(FREQ_E, 500)

[17:38] < MS-> b.play_tone_and_wait(FREQ_E, 500)

[17:38] < MS-> sleep(0.5)

[17:38] < MS-> becomes

[17:39] < vmlemon_> Heh, cool Volantis have open sourced their proprietary content management/format conversion system, although it's in Java

[17:39] < Davbo> One group programmed it to read guitar chords then do those beeps to the notes. Then we made it play "Still Alive" (the song from portal) it was fun! :D

[17:40] < vmlemon_> "Dancing" robot, anyone?

[17:40] < MS-> class singer(...)

[17:40] < MS-> def main(self):

[17:40] < MS-> b = nxt.locator.find_one_brick()

[17:40] < MS-> if b:

[17:41] < MS-> while 1:

[17:41] < MS-> while self.dataReady("inbox"):

[17:41] < MS-> b.play_tone_and_wait( self.recv("inbox") , 500) # perhaps

[17:41] < Davbo> Thanks MS-

[17:41] < MS-> It's really simple to componentise simple examples in my experience

[17:42] < MS-> Kamaeliabot interface to a bot would be far to self referential

[17:42] < Davbo> That would be pretty cool. We could use the IRC components

[17:43] < Davbo> tie them together

[17:43] < MS-> Just trying to give ideas...

[17:43] < MS-> :)

[17:43] < Davbo> plug everything in, then it can actually do the Macarena and everything.

[17:44] < MS-> heheheheh

[17:44] < MS-> Now *that* would be funny

[17:44] < MS-> :)

[17:49] < Davbo> I'll take my camera and take pictures if I get anywhere

[17:49] < Davbo> of a dancing robot

[17:51] *** Davbo isn't too great with lego

[17:52] < Davbo> The program in the first semester with the robot it was groups of 3, I pretty much programmed it all and the other 2 guys made it

[17:57] *** Lawouach is listening to the last Smashing Pumpkins album.

[17:58] < Davbo> is that Zeitgeist Lawouach ?

[17:58] < Lawouach> yeap

[17:59] < Davbo> What you think? my friend saw them live at O2 Arena said they were great

[17:59] < Davbo> don't think much to them personally though.

[17:59] < Lawouach> Saw them twice on their tour and they can rock yeah

[17:59] < Lawouach> Did a lot of old schools pumpkins

[18:00] < Lawouach> the album is fantastic on all the songs where you don't have a keyboard

[18:00] < Lawouach> on those with keyboards they don't do as well

[18:00] < Davbo> I play the guitar and i think there is a style clash with me and them

[18:00] < Lawouach> eh eh

[18:00] < Lawouach> I play as well and I love the style ;)

[18:01] < Lawouach> Used to practice on Siamese Dream back in the days :)

[18:01] < Davbo> Heh I used to like them not enough to look into their songs much

[18:01] < Lawouach> fair enough

[18:01] < Davbo> presumably all power chords anyway ;P

[18:02] < Lawouach> personally they've always been quite a source of inspiration at any levels :)

[18:02] < Lawouach> well they are more complex than that

[18:02] < Lawouach> Billy's progressions are not always obvious

[18:02] < Davbo> I know, just poking fun :)

[18:02] < Lawouach> oh that's alright

[18:02] < Lawouach> I can understand it's not everyone's cup of tea

[18:02] < Lawouach> mine anyway :D

[18:03] < Davbo> I listen to all sorts really. Listening to Dave Brubeck at the moment

[18:04] < Davbo> (you wouldn't struggle to poke fun at my music taste)

[18:05] < Davbo> You like Joy Division Lawouach ?

[18:09] < Davbo> well, that's the kind of thing I like to play :)

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[18:14] < vmlemon_> Damn battery

[18:17] < vmlemon_> It would help if it was actually charging when it says it is

[18:18] < vmlemon_> The phone still bleeps and moans that the battery is flat for some reason

[18:28] < Davbo> MS-, what's a good way to do a pause?

[18:32] < Davbo> ah never mind, ignore that

[18:32] *** vmlemon_ was just wondering about how much open source code originates from the UK, after reading the Volantis thing (they're headquartered in Guildford)...

[18:33] < Lawouach> Davbo, I'll be honest, Joy Division is a band I know nothing about

[18:33] < Lawouach> I know the name

[18:33] < Lawouach> but never listened to them properly

[18:34] < Lawouach> vmlemon, I've been trying to install the Volantis server for a while

[18:34] < Lawouach> never managed to go past the Tomcat install

[18:34] < Davbo> You should check them out :) you'll either love them or, not so much. They're like marmite! :D

[18:35] < Lawouach> I hat marmite

[18:35] < Davbo> me too

[18:35] < Davbo> 'orrible stuff.

[18:35] *** Davbo can even type in Yorkshire.

[18:37] < vmlemon_> I don't mind Marmite

[18:37] < vmlemon_> I tried their "Champagne Edition" out of curiosity, and it tasted like crap, to be frank

[18:37] < Davbo> Heh are you going against the slogan vmlemon_ and being indifferent towards it?

[18:38] < vmlemon_> I like it, but not the crap flavoured/"Champagne"-flavoured one

[18:38] < Davbo> Agh Champagne, what were they thinking??

[18:38] < Davbo> Think of how many people that must have gone by before they decided to make it, unbelievable

[18:39] < Davbo> nobody realised that would be a resounding bad idea

[18:39] < vmlemon_> I still have it somewhere in the cupboard (it's 99% full)

[18:39] < vmlemon_> Could probably put it on fleaBay ;)

[18:39] < Davbo> "Just 600,000 limited edition jars of the 'Lovers' Marmite' are going on sale ahead of Valentine's Day.. "

[18:40] < Davbo> I was just about to suggest that

[18:40] < vmlemon_> Hmm, a Marmite flavoured hat...

[18:41] < vmlemon_> Probably taste bad ;)

[18:41] < vmlemon_> You should try IBM Jazz, too, if you want something really hard to install

[18:42] < vmlemon_> (you can copy the files out, and generate a configuration file, but it doesn't actually work as advertised - you can't log in once it's installed)

[18:45] < Lawouach> anyhow guys, any chance to see some code from your parts this weekend?

[18:45] *** Lawouach gets his whip

[18:46] < Davbo> I'm playing with NXT and Kamaelia at the moment

[18:46] < Lawouach> have you had a chance to do the tutorial?

[18:47] < Davbo> I went through the tutorial yeah

[18:47] < Davbo> think I have the basics of that

[18:47] < Davbo> just component building I need to grasp

[18:48] < vmlemon_> Didn't they make a "limited edition" citrus fruit or mint flavour Kit-Kat ages ago?

[18:49] < Lawouach> Davbo, I'd say I'd be interested anyway in seeing what you have

[18:50] < Lawouach> There's no problem if you have troubles with some concepts

[18:50] < Lawouach> but you gotta ask

[18:51] < Davbo> thanks, I will

[18:51] < Davbo> I struggled to follow the building a component link from MS- email

[18:51] < Lawouach> The reason for me to push a little is that we'll need to make a decision based on whatever elements we have from you guys

[18:51] < Davbo> I understand the code and what it does and all

[18:51] < Lawouach> Code is always helping us

[18:52] < Davbo> the process from start to finish I don't quite understand yet

[18:53] < Lawouach> you mean following the tutorial?

[18:54] < Davbo> not the miniaxon

[18:54] < Davbo> the other thing.

[18:54] < Davbo> sec

[18:54] < Lawouach> ah

[18:54] < Davbo> i get link

[18:54] < Davbo> http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/blog/blog.cgi?rm=viewpost&nodeid=1113495151

[18:55] < Davbo> it's a bit overwhelming

[18:55] < Davbo> well, a lot overwhelming

[18:55] < MS-> Just take it in pieces

[18:55] < MS-> It starts off with 2 stub programs

[18:56] < Davbo> I understand what happens and how you do it

[18:56] < MS-> OK

[18:56] < Davbo> I dunno really, it helped me for sure. I just need to practice

[18:56] < MS-> Thinking about it, that would probably work quite well as a set of slides on slideshare

[18:57] < MS-> Since really it's about "this bit evolves like this"

[18:57] < MS-> etc

[18:57] < Davbo> which was why i was playing with Magnadoodle, and a simple paint thing i started. And also the audioscrobbler

[18:57] < Davbo> and now this bit

[18:58] < MS-> I would suggest making available any/all code you've played with to be honest, since then we can see how you're doing. (bearing in mind experience etc)

[18:58] < Davbo> I'd have it by now if I had the time i think :(

[18:58] < MS-> fwiw, orphans has used pastebin to share code, which is fine BTW

[18:59] < Davbo> I put that thing on pastebin too

[18:59] < Davbo> 1 second i'll up my folder of crap.

[18:59] < MS-> heh

[19:00] < MS-> my folder of crap is /Sketches/MPS ;-)

[19:00] < MS-> well, one folder :)

[19:00] < vmlemon_> Should see my desktop, you can barely see the background for icons...

[19:01] < MS-> Ahh, found your miniaxon

[19:01] < MS-> http://www.davbo.org/blog/?p=4

[19:03] < Davbo> Yeah one of my friends read it and made one :D

[19:03] < Davbo> spreading the word, heh.

[19:03] < vmlemon_> MicroAxon/Synapse, anyone?

[19:04] < Lawouach> Missing producer and consumer components though ;)

[19:04] < MS-> Lawouach: yep

[19:04] < vmlemon_> Not sure how small it would be compared to a Mini Axon

[19:06] < MS-> vmlemon_: hm?

[19:06] < MS-> Lawouach: Actually you're right, it's not complete there...

[19:06] < vmlemon_> Or would it be Neuron, if we were going by parts of the brain?

[19:07] < Davbo> I wasn't very fussed with the code when I made mine (ie. before GSoC) so that doesn't surprise me

[19:07] *** vmlemon_ assumes that MiniAxon is as small as it gets, without being completely different

[19:08] < MS-> Davbo: np

[19:08] < MS-> vmlemon_: That is the idea, yes

[19:08] < Davbo> If i had known you'd ask for it when i applied heh.

[19:08] < vmlemon_> Aah

[19:08] < Davbo> I just had a Gedit window to accompany me when i went though it and make sure i got the key ideas

[19:09] < MS-> http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/SummerOfCode ... "What we expect" ... We will expect you to have done the MiniAxon tutorial ideally before submitting your application. (first item on the bullet list of expectations..,)

[19:09] < MS-> :)

[19:10] < Davbo> I wasn't even sure you'd be in gsoc this year when i did mine lol

[19:10] < Davbo> it was out of interest

[19:11] < MS-> heh :-)

[19:11] < MS-> k

[19:11] < MS-> fair enough

[19:23] < orphans> hey all

[19:23] < vmlemon_> Hi orphans

[19:24] < orphans> how goes it vmlemon_?

[19:25] < vmlemon_> OK

[19:25] *** vmlemon_ is discussing the new Apple iBrick

[19:25] < vmlemon_> (in another channel ;) )

[19:25] < vmlemon_> AKA iPod Macro

[19:26] < orphans> link?

[19:27] < vmlemon_> None at the moment

[19:27] < vmlemon_> It's a concept for one that we're discussing ;)

[19:27] *** MS- goes off for a while, maybe back later

[19:28] *** orphans just got an invite for app engine :)

[19:28] < MS-> woo

[19:29] *** MS- still waiting

[19:29] *** MS- goes to sulk

[19:29] < MS-> ;-)

[19:29] < vmlemon_> Hrm, what is App Engine, anyway?

[19:29] < MS-> vmlemon_: wsgi hosting for python scripts by google

[19:29] < vmlemon_> I've seen it mentioned several times, although I still have no idea as to what it is

[19:29] < vmlemon_> Aah

[19:29] < orphans> heh, sorry MS-

[19:29] < MS-> np

[19:29] < MS-> :)

[19:34] < MS-> crikey: vrml : http://pastebin.com/d6423b8a

[19:34] < MS-> Been AAAGES since I've seen any vrml

[19:34] < MS-> like a decade or so

[19:36] < vmlemon_> Ugh, my usual PasteBin is locked since idiots kept spamming it

[19:36] *** bcarlyon|ubuntu likes to forget to put self. at the start of things.....

[19:41] < vmlemon_> http://pastebin.com/f60018b0c - how the iBrick came about...

[19:45] < Davbo> I was in the library at uni today looking for a Python book and there was a stack of vrml books :)

[19:48] < orphans> yay, off to the pub. Bye all :)

[19:49] *** orphans was short but sweet...

[19:49] < Davbo> cya orphans

[19:57] < bcarlyon|ubuntu> what is vrml cant be bothered to google right now)

[19:58] < vmlemon_> Virtual Reality Markup Language

[19:58] < vmlemon_> or something like that

[19:58] < bcarlyon|ubuntu> oooh

[19:58] < bcarlyon|ubuntu> nice

[19:58] < vmlemon_> It's a markup language for building 3D environments, although hardly anyone uses it these days

[19:58] < bcarlyon|ubuntu> cool

[19:58] *** bcarlyon|ubuntu has finished miniaxon and is considering what to write for his component

[19:59] < Lawouach> bcarlyon|away, may we see?

[20:00] < bcarlyon|ubuntu> i havnt put it on the app yet, since i will loose the edit ability to post my component unless you comment on it again, so shall i put it on my app?

[20:01] < MS-> bcarlyon| If you need it to be re-editable, just ping us

[20:01] < MS-> we can just add thuings

[20:01] < MS-> you should be able to add comments either way

[20:01] < MS-> which is fine

[20:01] < bcarlyon|ubuntu> ok

[20:02] < bcarlyon|ubuntu> one sec, i have to grab the file from the lsr office first (im at home using the pc under my lsr desk)

[20:06] < bcarlyon|ubuntu> Posted :-) going to watch Dirty Sexy Money, back in a mo, just going to start irc on the lappy....

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[20:11] < bcarlyon|nub> My postman function/class does look a lot like the answer tho....

[20:11] < bcarlyon|nub> lol

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[20:18] < bcarlyon|laptop> the step before i havnt looked at the answer since my class worked :-)

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[21:25] < vmlemon_> o.O [22:21] < Doc> vmlemon: umm.. i'm not kidding. there used to be a number of MS copyright notices in solaris before it was opensourced

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[22:07] < Chong> Good evening, everyone.

[22:11] < vmlemon_> Hi

[22:11] < vmlemon_> Ugh, damn "Orange Safeguard" crap

[22:13] < Chong> vmlemon_: What's wrong?

[22:15] < vmlemon_> I'm trying to view a page on the Forum Nokia site, and my operator's stupid in-network censorware junk keeps preventing access, even though the content on the page wouldn't even be considerable for entry to a blacklist

[22:15] < vmlemon_> (it's API examples)

[22:17] < vmlemon_> I've only ever triggered the stupid thing twice, and both times that I've used their option to inspect a page and un-blacklist it, they've refused to

[22:17] < vmlemon_> somewhat puzzlingly

[22:19] < Chong> I see. But are you sure it is prohibited by network not by phone. If by phone, it may be easier to circumvent the restriction.

[22:19] < vmlemon_> I could probably use a proxy or something

[22:20] < Chong> yes. proxy is a good idea.

[22:20] < vmlemon_> It's definitely in-network/by transparent proxying, since they also run images through another proxy to reduce the quality for faster downloading

[22:22] < vmlemon_> Still, I have no idea what sort of objectionable stuff wouldn't make their blacklist, if technical documentation does

[22:22] < vmlemon_> (although I'd hate to think what that "objectionable stuff" would consist of)

[22:24] < vmlemon_> Yay, a DRM'd MIDI file

[22:24] < Chong> From their standards:-)

[22:24] < vmlemon_> That's a new one to me...

[22:26] < vmlemon_> The file starts with the preamble/header "audio/midiflk:01932119553@localhost- Encryption-Method:AES128CBC;padding=RFC2630", and then has an encrypted MIDI payload

[22:27] < vmlemon_> Hrm, I think it's OMA DRM, although I'm not sure

[22:27] < vmlemon_> I also have an MPEG-4 video encapsulated in the same way

[22:28] *** vmlemon_ sees if he also has the DRM Descriptor File around for it

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[22:31] < petruccigp> anyone help me please!

[22:31] < petruccigp> from Kamaelia.UI.Pygame.Text import TextDisplayer, Textbox

[22:31] < petruccigp> I got an error

[22:31] < petruccigp> ImportError: No module named Text

[22:31] < petruccigp> anything badly installed?

[22:32] < Davbo> Hi petruccigp

[22:32] < Davbo> That module doesn't exist

[22:33] < petruccigp> well, that's on the example I received in the SoC email

[22:33] < Davbo> hmm

[22:33] < petruccigp> that is why I am asking :)

[22:33] < Davbo> Oh I'm wrong

[22:33] < Davbo> there is one :)

[22:34] < Davbo> Have you installed the Kamaelia-Modeller-1.0.0?

[22:34] < petruccigp> nope

[22:34] < petruccigp> is it in the Bundle?

[22:35] < Davbo> Ah, the text module doesn't exist in the mega bundle if that's what you're refering to

[22:36] < Chong> It's also in the email Michael sent.

[22:36] < Chong> http://thwackety.com/Kamaelia-Modeller-1.0.0.tar.gz

[22:36] < petruccigp> sure sure!

[22:36] < petruccigp> sorry, my mistake...

[22:36] < Davbo> install that and your import will work petruccigp

[22:37] < petruccigp> so stupid! I should read emails completly

[22:37] < petruccigp> hehehe

[22:37] < petruccigp> ok thanks, I will try again!

[22:37] < Davbo> it's not stupid :)

[22:38] < Chong> To err, to man:-)

[22:40] < petruccigp> surprisingly, it works!

[22:40] < Davbo> 'course it does, i said it would :P

[22:40] < Davbo> ;-)

[22:40] < petruccigp> hehehe

[22:41] < petruccigp> that's the advantage of being a genius huh?

[22:41] < petruccigp> ok people

[22:41] < Chong> :)

[22:41] < petruccigp> I'll keep on working and thanks vary much!

[22:41] < Davbo> it's the advantage of having a similar problem earlier :s

[23:26] < Chong> Time for bed. Good night, all.

[23:26] < bcarlyon|laptop> Rather annoying I just broke my ubuntu box so i need to reinstall, yay not :-(

[23:26] < bcarlyon|laptop> Nigh Chong

[23:27] < Chong> bcarlyon|laptop: sorry to hear your bad news. but hope you have a good night.:p

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