[00:01] < bcarlyon|laptop> the #gsoc channel just went silly

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[00:33] < Chong> Have to sleep. It's very nice meeting you all and I really enjoy here.

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[00:33] < Davbo> Goodnight Chong, good luck with GSoC :)

[00:34] < Chong> orphans, MS, kamaeliabot: thanks again for your kindly help.

[00:34] < Chong> Thank you very much for your good wish, Davbo.

[00:35] < bcarlyon|laptop> Good luck too Chong

[00:35] < Chong> MS: I am very proud to go to the same school with an opensource guru. :)

[00:36] < Chong> Thanks, barlyon. Good luck for you too.

[00:37] < Chong> barlyon: Hope that we can work together in this summer :)

[00:38] < bcarlyon|laptop> indeed :-)

[00:38] < Chong> Good night to all.

[00:38] < Chong> bye...

[00:53] < Davbo> "New applications are no longer being accepted. "

[00:53] < Davbo> Good luck everyone who has applied, how many applications MS-?

[00:53] < bcarlyon|laptop> They dont know yet follow #gsoc

[00:54] < Davbo> Hmm?

[00:54] < bcarlyon|laptop> the google summer of code channel on freenode

[00:54] < Davbo> oh no bcarlyon|laptop

[00:54] < Davbo> I meant the number of applications for Kamaelia

[00:55] < bcarlyon|laptop> o

[00:58] < Davbo> Good luck bcarlyon|laptop :)

[00:59] < bcarlyon|laptop> You too

[00:59] < bcarlyon|laptop> apparently GSOC thinks they got 7090 applications overall

[00:59] < Davbo> That's a lot.

[01:00] < bcarlyon|laptop> up to 6200 last year

[01:04] < Davbo> Goodnight all!

[01:05] < bcarlyon|laptop> Night

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[08:41] < orphans> morning all

[08:52] < bcarlyon|laptop> hi

[08:55] < orphans> how goes it bcarlyon|away

[08:55] < orphans> oops bcarlyon|laptop

[08:55] < orphans> xchat tab completion=borken

[08:55] < bcarlyon|laptop> not too bad....but bcarlyons are me

[08:55] < orphans> yeah, but you won't get a nice ping/shake/colour in if I use the wrong one :D

[08:56] < bcarlyon|laptop> lol

[08:56] < orphans> gotta be the best bit of irc that :) Feel all popular...

[08:57] < vmlemon> Hi

[08:59] < orphans> hey vmlemon

[08:59] < vmlemon> Meh, that's a new one, the train I was supposed to get earlier was canceled since it ran out of diesel...

[09:00] < orphans> the mind boggles

[09:00] < vmlemon> I never thought that would happen

[09:02] < orphans> you can just imagine being on a train, and suddenly it slows down. "ladies and gentlemen, we are sorry, but if some of you could get out and give us a push..."

[09:02] < vmlemon> Haha

[09:03] < vmlemon> That'll hurt pushing one of them

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[09:05] < Chong> Good morning, guys.

[09:06] < vmlemon> Hi Chong

[09:06] < bcarlyon|laptop> Greetings

[09:06] < orphans> mornin

[09:09] < Chong> I really like the nice atmosphere here.

[09:10] < orphans> the view isn't bad too :D

[09:10] < vmlemon> I hear that the meals and morning coffee are decent, too ;)

[09:11] < orphans> mm, probably too soon to get a second cup of coffee. *sigh*

[09:11] < vmlemon> and there's free entertainment, if you like dancing, that is

[09:11] < orphans> kamaeliabot: dance

[09:11] Reply: does the macarena

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[09:13] < Chong> :)

[09:18] < bcarlyon|laptop> kamaeliabot,make coffee

[09:19] < bcarlyon|laptop> :-(

[09:24] < Chong> I like coffee:)

[09:25] < bcarlyon|laptop> We all like coffee, I hope....

[09:27] < Chong> :) poor kamaeliabot, keep busy making coffee for us

[09:28] < bcarlyon|laptop> lol

[09:28] < Chong> Probably we need a multicore concurrent kamaeliabot:)

[09:29] < bcarlyon|laptop> lol

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[10:28] < Lawouach> hello

[10:31] < Chong> Lawouach: hi

[10:34] < Lawouach> hi Chong

[10:34] < Lawouach> so how does it go around here?

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[10:35] < MS-> morning

[10:35] < Chong> morning

[10:35] < Lawouach> hey MS-

[10:35] < MS-> Re logs - about 25 apps or so, which excluding dirac apps last year is about the same as last year

[10:36] < Chong> Lawouach: Everything is fine here except a little quiet just now

[10:36] < MS-> And about twice as many "good" apps as we'll be able to mentor I think

[10:36] < MS-> Which is pretty par for the course

[10:38] < Chong> MS: so harlf of good apps are likely to be declined :)

[10:38] < MS-> Chong: Yep. That's always sad, but it is life

[10:40] < Chong> :(. It's bad for applicants but good for the project probabaly:)

[10:41] < MS-> It's also bad for applicants to take on people beyond your capacity to mentor as well

[10:44] < Chong> yes, absolutely right. quality is better than quantity without quality

[10:45] < orphans> morning MS-

[10:45] < orphans> and Lawouach

[10:46] < Lawouach> hi

[10:46] < orphans> how goes it?

[10:48] < Lawouach> good

[10:48] < Lawouach> installed a demo on a server at work today only to find out the hard drive collapsed

[10:48] < Lawouach> lucky fsck was there to save the day

[10:49] < orphans> heh, I was gunna say - that doesn't sound like it's going good :)

[10:57] < vmlemon> Tried SMART testing it?

[10:58] < vmlemon> There's always useful info in that

[11:29] < vmlemon> I wonder why anyone would want a Moomin-themed anti-virus app...

[11:29] < vmlemon> (http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00000847.html)

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[12:37] < bcarlyon|ubuntu> Morning all :-)

[12:38] < vmlemon> Hi

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[13:21] < vmlemon> Hi

[13:22] < Davbo-uni> Trying out that Mibbit web irc client in the lab

[13:22] < Davbo-uni> seems quite good actually

[13:23] < vmlemon> It used to be IRC@Work, if I remember correctly

[13:23] < vmlemon> Hah, "You mean an application written for a particular version of series 60 *might* run on another handset with the same version. (Depending on moon phase)"

[13:23] < Davbo-uni> lol :)

[13:24] < vmlemon> Seen the Moomin-themed Anti-virus app?

[13:25] < Davbo-uni> nope, Moomin scare me though.

[13:25] < vmlemon> http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00000847.html

[13:26] < vmlemon> I can't believe they'd make such a thing, and their press release is downright weird

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[13:28] < Davbo-uni> ooo. As safe as Moominvalley!

[13:28] < Davbo-uni> They sure set their goals high

[13:31] < vmlemon> I'm sure that it won't be fun and cuddly when it slows your dual-core machine to a halt and starts pestering for update subscriptions and endless patches

[13:35] < Davbo-uni> What IRC client could i expect to find on an ancient Red Hat install?

[13:36] < vmlemon> None out of the box

[13:36] < Davbo-uni> meh

[13:36] < vmlemon> Unless you install something like irssi, or try to use telnet

[13:36] < vmlemon> ;)

[13:37] < vmlemon> o.O "It is trying to be modern but you cant compete a ferrari with a bike, no matter how you upgrade the bike."

[13:37] < Davbo-uni> not sure i'd have the permissions to install irssi hmm

[13:37] < vmlemon> Could compile it, and run it from the directory

[13:37] < vmlemon> without installation

[13:38] < Davbo-uni> yus i could certainly do that

[13:38] < Davbo-uni> got a maths lecture in 20 minutes though so i'll try it another time

[13:48] < Davbo-uni> time for a confusing lecture on matrices and matlab, back later.

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[15:01] < j_baker> has anyone seen this?

[15:01] < j_baker> http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6330927813/m/344004351931

[15:19] < MS-> Just saw it now thanks to you :-)

[15:19] < MS-> Ta muchly

[15:20] < MS-> Lawouach: You should look at the link j_baker just forwarded

[15:20] < MS-> :)

[15:24] < j_baker> I applied but I don't know if I got one of the 10k slots.

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[17:08] < Lawouach> back

[17:08] < Lawouach> yeah I've been invited to the Google App Engine

[17:08] < Lawouach> seems interesting

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[17:12] < MS-> evening

[17:12] < Chong> Lawouach: cool

[17:12] < Lawouach> hey there

[17:12] < Chong> Lawouach: what kind of app is it?

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[17:13] < Lawouach> none for now, just got invited but didn't even have the time to look at it

[17:13] < MS-> Chong: It allows you to put any WSGI based python application (within reason) up there

[17:13] < Chong> Good evening, Michael.

[17:13] < MS-> provides sandboxed facilities

[17:13] < MS-> Which I'm guessing are based on pypy's sandboxes version of python

[17:14] < MS-> But that's pure guess, since they have a significant chunk of the python core devs working at google

[17:15] < Chong> MS: interesting

[17:15] < j_baker> later guys

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[17:15] < Chong> Thanks for your explanation, Michael.

[17:15] < MS-> I think it's a really cool thing - I've applied for the waiting list

[17:15] < MS-> you're welcome

[17:17] < Davbo> Hi all

[17:18] < jle> I hit the application as soon as I saw the announcement, on the waiting list now. Also, MS-, sorry about no app, I ended up spending my time on school stuff.

[17:18] < jle> Ot

[17:18] < Lawouach> I have played quite a lot with Amazon Web Services and it sounds that they are still way more flexible and powerful than GAE could be

[17:19] < Chong> yes. with your experience, you will be in with a shot.:)

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[17:20] < Chong> Davbo: hi

[17:23] < MS-> jle: No problem. If you're interested in working on something though, don't let "not putting in a GSOC app" stop you. It's not like being paid is my motivation. (Much of my day work is actually WSGI web app based at the moment rather than kamaelia, hence the focus on fun this summer :) )

[17:24] < MS-> OK, afk making dinner

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[17:24] < jle> MS-: Of course. And it'll be interesting to see how the accepted apps get done here.

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[20:39] < Davbo> quiet now all the applications are done :/

[20:43] < ms-afk> :)

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[20:44] < Davbo> How many applications by the way MS- ?

[20:45] < MS-> 25 - which if you consider last year the dirac ones were included in this pile it's about the same number as last year

[20:45] < MS-> which a fairly strong divide between "good" and "bad"

[20:45] < MS-> with very few sitting inbetween

[20:46] < MS-> Around twice as many good apps as we can sensibly mentor

[20:46] < MS-> IMO at least anyway

[20:46] < Davbo> Nice!

[20:47] < MS-> Which is always nice, but also sad when it comes to 2 weeks from now

[20:47] < Davbo> there is chance for discussion between you mentors then

[20:47] < MS-> Yep

[20:48] < MS-> Also, despite the fact that we can have a view on the number of students we could mentor, that's not necessarily the same as the number of slots we'll get allocated

[20:49] < Davbo> Ah yes, there are a lot more projects this year too

[20:49] < Davbo> you think you'll have 3-5? around there?

[20:51] < Davbo> I think my friend mentioned they don't get many slots allocated for JikesRVM

[20:51] < MS-> Not sure really, the number of slots we'll ask for will be related to the quality of the students and apps

[20:51] < Davbo> Ah, you put in a request then and hope for that?

[20:51] < MS-> essentially

[20:55] < Davbo> I wont be sad if I don't accepted really, I think I told you when I first applied that I was doing it for the experience.

[20:55] < Davbo> I stopped idling in the #gsoc channel because I kept seeing hostnames with MIT and Harvard in them :P

[20:55] < MS-> I'm going to be sending a blanket email to the top 1/2 of the list asking to see one of : their miniaxon and/or some example of code they've written using kamaelia, because we had the stated expectation that people would do the miniaxon tutorial

[20:55] < MS-> heh

[20:56] < MS-> Along with a few other things as well - regarding probing how well people understand what they're proposing.

[20:57] < Davbo> hopefully I'll have finished "SimpPaint" lol

[20:57] < MS-> There isn't a rush for those things though, so I'll be doing the code request first - probably later tonight, and then the other question after that

[20:57] < MS-> cool :)

[20:57] < Davbo> thats the magnadoodle-esque thing we talked about I've started with

[20:57] *** MS- nods

[20:57] < Davbo> but i struggled with the inbox/outboxes so I looked at Magnadoodle for that

[20:58] < Davbo> I've got 3 uni projects on at the moment too unfortunately

[20:59] < MS-> What are the projects ?

[20:59] < MS-> out of curiosity

[20:59] < Davbo> One is a solution for the N-Queens problem programmed using a state-based search we're supplied with

[20:59] < Davbo> one is programming a little embedded device to act like a "Photo Backup" tool :/

[21:00] *** MS- nods

[21:00] < Davbo> Then we have the implementation stage of the main project to do

[21:01] < Davbo> My group has to program a playlist manager kinda thing

[21:01] *** Davbo argues we should use existing ID3 tag libraries but none of the academics know what ID3 is

[21:02] < MS-> heh

[21:02] < MS-> Academia can indeed sometimes be a little blinkered

[21:02] < Davbo> oh and the next stage of my astronomy program

[21:02] < MS-> ?

[21:03] < Davbo> I link stage 1 of it in my references on my application for gsoc

[21:03] < Davbo> the next stage is querying the data to find things

[21:03] < Davbo> then we have to program a pretty swing UI

[21:04] < Davbo> using a drag and drop tool in Eclipse -thank god- I don't know if you've tried working with Swing in Java but it's a hellish ordeal

[21:05] < MS-> I see. (I'm not really a fan of Java, since it seems like a nasty halfway house between C++ and a decent dynamic language)

[21:06] < Davbo> Java is a damn good idea. The execution leaves some to be desired imo

[21:06] < MS-> Java isn't a new idea though

[21:06] < Davbo> well to me it was

[21:06] < Davbo> There was something that ran on its own VM before Java?

[21:06] < MS-> The textbook description of Java is almost identical to the description of Simula 67 in the book Simula BEGIN which was translated to english in 1973

[21:07] < Davbo> Ah

[21:07] < MS-> Python was running on its own VM before java turned up (albeit a very early version number :) )

[21:07] < MS-> Not that I knew about it

[21:08] < Davbo> It's such a clever idea, the kind of thing where you go "I wish i'd thought of that!" it's so obvious for portability

[21:09] < MS-> Well, Java was originally designed with embedded systems in mind (when it was called "oak"), and then the web turned up and it "ooh, we could embed it in a browser" - (slightly apocryphal, but with lots of references)

[21:10] < Davbo> Java is very pluggable too, I like that but it gives you a bad habit of abstracting too much that Lawouach was telling me about yesterday

[21:10] Reply: Hi, I'm a bot. I've been put here to answer faq's and log the channel. You can find the logs at http://yeoldeclue.com/logs/ . Yes, the person(s) you asked for may be around. The best way to ask a q is to just ask it since

[21:10] Reply: the person(s) you asked for reads the logs. Idle on the channel if you want and answer and don't get an immediate one. In the meantime this page is the sort of questions we'd ask you to improve your app are here:

[21:10] Reply: http://yeoldeclue.com/cgi-bin/blog/blog.cgi?rm=viewpost&nodeid=1206709783 . Regarding applications we will be discussing applications (and maybe asking for improvements) until April 7th or 8th - remember no news may well be good news

[21:10] < MS-> heh

[21:10] < MS-> kamaeliabot: dance

[21:10] Reply: does the macarena

[21:10] < Davbo> Did I just trigger that?

[21:10] < MS-> Personally I think Java must die

[21:10] < MS-> yes

[21:11] < Davbo> oops.

[21:11] < MS-> Java == over worked abomination :-)

[21:11] < MS-> OK, that's a little unfair

[21:11] < Davbo> lol

[21:12] < MS-> But only a little

[21:12] < MS-> :-D

[21:13] < Davbo> I can't believe they use it to teach people programming to be honest

[21:14] < Davbo> for some people on my degree Java is there only language they've experienced

[21:14] < MS-> It kinda makes sense on some level, but it's not the best option

[21:14] < MS-> I've lost count of the number of languages of worked with TBH

[21:15] < Davbo> It makes sense on a lazy level, easy for staff to write something then we implement it or we use / extend it

[21:16] < Davbo> One of my friends emailed his lecturer (a senior member of the dept.) with a compilation error he was running into and the the reply he got was telling him he had an indentation error. :|

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[21:18] < Davbo> I had to explain to him it would make no difference as Java isn't indent sensitive

[21:18] < MS-> indeed

[21:18] < Davbo> typical "academic type"

[21:18] < bcarlyon|laptop> Is any language indent sentive, I havent found one....

[21:19] < Davbo> *aherm* lol

[21:19] < bcarlyon|laptop> sensitive*

[21:19] < MS-> Is that serious?

[21:19] < Davbo> bcarlyon|laptop, this doesn't help your application

[21:19] < bcarlyon|laptop> I dont know every langauge....

[21:19] < Davbo> ;)

[21:19] < MS-> I can think of 3, and one rather obvious one with regard to this channel

[21:19] < bcarlyon|laptop> Python :-)

[21:19] < MS-> 2 others are COBOL & brainf**k

[21:20] < MS-> Oh and occam

[21:20] < bcarlyon|laptop> I did say I while back I'm relativly new to Python.

[21:20] < Davbo> Scheme?

[21:20] < MS-> No, that's just sensitive to a lost bracket

[21:20] < Davbo> ah

[21:21] < MS-> Languages like that are irritating because they're nice & powerful, but you're essentially writing a parse tree instead of writing code

[21:21] *** bcarlyon|laptop is now dissappointed at the possibility of loosing marks over asking a possibly senseible question :-(

[21:22] < Davbo> I'm looking forwards to Haskell next year actually, looked at some of that stuff and it's just crazy

[21:22] < MS-> I've implemented a number of large things in SML, and if I ever wanted to, alot of that knowledge would port over to haskell cleanly

[21:23] < MS-> Manc uni at one point used to use SML as the introductory language for 1st years, which I still think was a very good ide

[21:23] < MS-> a

[21:23] < MS-> I'd been writing code for a long time by then though

[21:23] < MS-> (started when I was 9)

[21:24] < Davbo> Pascal was my first real language I learnt to a decent level

[21:25] < MS-> Designed a simple language when I was around 13, and implemented a pre-emptive task switching system (for an 8bit micro...) soon after.

[21:25] < MS-> which was fun :)

[21:26] < MS-> So by the time I was exposed to SML I could really appreciate the language :)

[21:26] < Davbo> Yeah...

[21:26] < MS-> If there's a language I'd recommend people learning though, it's prolog - it's just *completely* different from anything else out there

[21:26] < Davbo> wish I'd sparked an interest early

[21:27] < MS-> I got interested at the beginning of the 8bit micro wave

[21:28] < Davbo> Oh I've done some prolog

[21:28] < MS-> oh?

[21:28] < Davbo> we're discussing it at the minute in one of my lectures too

[21:28] < MS-> really? In the first year?

[21:28] < Davbo> "Techniques for Artifical Intelligence"

[21:28] < Davbo> I did prolog in A-level computing yeah

[21:28] < Davbo> only a tiny bit

[21:29] < MS-> The interesting part of prolog is normally how you ask the question

[21:29] < MS-> Hm, that'd be fun - plug in a prolog engine into kamaeliabot

[21:29] < MS-> kamaeliabot: no

[21:29] < MS-> :)

[21:29] < Davbo> hehehe :)

[21:29] < MS-> I actually really like that idea

[21:30] < Davbo> X? is father of Y?, X? is male

[21:30] < Davbo> blah

[21:30] < MS-> yepp

[21:30] < MS-> Trying to think of a project name at this instant

[21:30] < Davbo> yeah we just did forward / backward chaining today :)

[21:31] < Davbo> unfortunately lectured by the same guy that thinks Java is indent sensitive

[21:31] < MS-> heh

[21:32] < Davbo> KamaeLogic - don't let me name anything.

[21:33] < MS-> heh

[21:33] < MS-> No, not for that, for a different work project

[21:34] < Davbo> ah

[21:40] < MS-> I think I'll go for "koreograph"

[21:40] < Davbo> What's your work project MS- ? can you discuss it?

[21:40] < Davbo> is it a KDE application?

[21:41] < Davbo> certainly sounds like one

[21:42] < MS-> hm, interesting, no not KDE

[21:42] < MS-> Sure - I've moved over (largely due to a resource crunch and collaborative commitments) to a project which is intended to be about mass participation

[21:42] < MS-> It's divided into various parts and the bit I'm working on is a web front end to it

[21:43] < MS-> The way it enables participation is by supporting people in tasks they can do which encourage the people involved to do something and share the results

[21:43] < MS-> essentially

[21:43] < Davbo> hmm

[21:43] < MS-> So, it might be "change all your lightbulbs to energy saving and take a photo", uploading the results and then allowing people to see the cumulative saving

[21:44] < Davbo> ah I see

[21:44] < Davbo> interesting

[21:44] < MS-> However the system supports this by using a model similar to the old "choose your own adventure" books that people used to buy

[21:44] < MS-> And calls the tasks "missions"

[21:45] < MS-> and subtasks are sub-missions etc

[21:45] < Davbo> ah i loved those books

[21:45] < Davbo> I had a mario one, it was awesome.

[21:45] < MS-> heh

[21:45] < Davbo> bought it from the library though and someone had defaced some of the page numbers :(

[21:46] < MS-> The upshot though is that it has a very flexible data model, which is designed to support people "doing things" - so as well as this sort of use, it could also support arbitrary workflows

[21:46] < MS-> It's python based and runs under WSGI, hence my interest in getting WSGI support in kamaelia up to a useful level

[21:47] < Davbo> Ah I was going to ask if you were using WSGI

[21:47] < MS-> But that's not a major/urgent requirement in kamaelia

[21:47] < Davbo> Kamaelia doesn't work in WSGI?

[21:47] < MS-> The Kamaelia HTTP server has some proof of concept support for WSGI apps

[21:48] < MS-> cf http://kamaelia.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/kamaelia/trunk/Sketches/MPS/KamaeliaWebServer.py?revision=3666&view=markup

[21:48] < Davbo> I've never use it to be honest, just thought of it as "Python running in a web server" sort of thing

[21:48] < Davbo> ah you need to change Kamaelia code to make in compliant with WSGI?

[21:50] < MS-> That code is a webserver that is largely WSGI compliant as a WSGI host

[21:50] < MS-> But not quite

[21:51] < Davbo> I see

[21:51] < Davbo> Anyone apply for this in GSoC?

[21:52] < MS-> Sort of

[21:54] < Davbo> does that KamConnect project require WSGI support ?

[21:54] < MS-> It doesn't *require* it, but it's better with it

[21:54] < Davbo> Yeah

[21:55] < Davbo> Think I might make a couple of vector tools in my Paint program if i get accepted, was considering it earlier today

[21:55] < Davbo> nice chance to use some maths

[21:56] *** MS- nods

[21:58] < MS-> Hm.

[22:02] < MS-> Naming of things is the hardest thing to do

[22:03] < Davbo> indeed, I looked at a list of famous artists thinking of a name for my project, Vincent Van Kamaelia just doesn't have a ring to it though

[22:04] < MS-> heh

[22:04] < Davbo> Kamonet was the best i thought of

[22:04] < MS-> What's wrong with "Paint" ?

[22:04] < MS-> "Kamaelia: Grey" is the name of the greylisting server

[22:05] < Davbo> exactly, that's why i didn't name it lol

[22:05] < MS-> "Kamaelia: Whiteboard" is the name of the whiteboard

[22:05] < MS-> "Kamaelia: Compose" is the name of the composition tool

[22:05] < MS-> :)

[22:06] < Davbo> the latest Lugradio podcast discusses things like that, the ego-less desktop, like how Gedit is "Text Editor"

[22:06] < Davbo> if you can handle listening to a bunch of nutcases screaming "Beard!" periodically

[22:07] < MS-> :)

[22:10] < MS-> OK, in my case I've figured out how I would deal with it

[22:10] < MS-> specifically by doing this:

[22:10] < MS-> < ....> is a tool for defining and supporting collaborative activities,

[22:12] < Davbo> good cop-out

[22:13] < Davbo> I was trying to think of a name for you but they all sounded too communist, ie "Kontribute"

[22:13] < MS-> Decided on "facilitate"

[22:13] < MS-> Though I can think of a nice misspelling of that

[22:14] < Davbo> A flickr style misspelling ?

[22:15] < MS-> No, Kamaelia is a misspelling of Camellia (which is a shrubbery - hence the python link)

[22:15] < MS-> Cerenity is a misspelling of serenity, based on slamming "cerebral serenity" together (peace of mind)

[22:16] < MS-> The advantage of this sort of thing is it makes the name more googleable

[22:16] < Davbo> Ah, you're a sly one MS- :P

[22:17] < MS-> Been taking that approach for years now :)

[22:20] < MS-> Oh, I know

[22:22] < MS-> Some derivation of Rubiaceae

[22:22] < MS-> (Camellia Sinesis == tea) Coffea is a type of Rubiaceae

[22:22] < Davbo> Ah

[22:23] < MS-> Yes, I know, sad :)

[22:24] < Davbo> Heh lol, everyone has hobbies :P

[22:26] < Davbo> nevermind the MiniAxon you should get applicants to bring you a shrubbery ;)

[22:26] < Davbo> Ni!

[22:27] < MS-> heh

[22:28] < MS-> Hah

[22:28] < MS-> The tree produces red or purple fruits (drupes), which contain two seeds (the "coffee beans",

[22:28] < MS-> hence Drupal at a guess

[22:29] < Davbo> lol

[22:30] < Davbo> I thought the logo was a water drop and they named it from that

[22:31] < MS-> maybe :)

[22:31] < MS-> The cat logo of kamaelia has nothing to do with the name though

[22:32] < MS-> I think I'll still with facilitate

[22:32] < MS-> s/still/stick/

[22:33] < Davbo> is there a trick to doing that spelling correction that I don't know?

[22:33] < MS-> No, it's a shorthand borne from programs like sed

[22:34] < Davbo> I see people do it on IRC a lot but dunno if it's like an irssi feature or something

[22:34] < Davbo> ooh.

[22:34] < MS-> s/patt/repl/ means "find the first occurrence of patt and replace with repl

[22:34] < Davbo> ah i see.

[22:35] < Davbo> thank you :)

[22:35] < Davbo> That has had me confused for a while

[22:35] < Davbo> facilitate is good though

[22:37] < orphans> hey Davbo, MS-

[22:37] < MS-> heya

[22:37] < orphans> how goes it?

[22:37] < MS-> Ok

[22:37] < MS-> yourself?

[22:37] < Davbo> Good evening orphans :)

[22:38] < orphans> not too bad ta

[22:38] *** Davbo is pondering why delivery of his eee pc has been pushed to 25/04

[22:38] < orphans> I'm beginning to think your eee pc is mythical :)

[22:39] < Davbo> Yeah! me too actually

[22:39] < Davbo> that money in my bank account was real though damn it

[22:39] < MS-> I think they massively underestimated how popular the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepc would be

[22:40] < orphans> they are pretty cool

[22:40] < orphans> wish you could get one which was just that little bit faster/higher ram for music stuff

[22:41] < Davbo> There's a shortage of them certainly

[22:41] < Davbo> It said "in stock" when i ordered though

[22:41] < Davbo> not gonna cancel my order though, i got it for £186 and the same one on Play.com is about £300

[22:43] < Davbo> Comes with Xandros though, gonna swap that out

[22:43] < MS-> seems overpriced on play

[22:43] < Davbo> Yeah i think it should be rrp around £220

[22:48] *** MS- wanders off for the night

[22:48] < MS-> cya all

[22:48] *** MS- has parted #kamaelia

[22:48] < Davbo> cya

[22:48] < Davbo> damn it

[22:49] < Davbo> he'll probably read the irc logs, if so: Hi future-MS!

[22:50] < orphans> :)

[22:50] < Davbo> i'm off too, g'night orphans

[22:50] < orphans> night

[22:58] < Chong> It seems that I have just missed a hot chat.:)

[23:00] < Chong> It's time for bed. Good night, all.

[23:00] *** Chong has parted #kamaelia

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