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[03:37] < j_baker> hello maveriick

[03:40] < maveriick> hi

[03:41] < maveriick> Juat learning python and completed the miniAxon

[03:41] < maveriick> *just

[03:42] < j_baker> Axon's a pretty interesting library.

[03:43] < j_baker> And you can combine components in some pretty interesting ways with the Kamaelia libraries

[03:43] < maveriick> Acutally more amazing to me ..as I started python 3 days ago....

[03:43] < maveriick> And one amazing aspect of python to me is blocking thoruhg indentation :)

[03:44] < j_baker> Indeed. I think it makes the code a lot cleaner looking.

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[07:26] < LawAtWork> hello

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[10:28] < Lawouach> back

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[10:32] < orphans> hey all

[10:32] < mhrd> hi

[10:34] < orphans> mhrd: you're MS-'s tag team partner (his words) right?

[10:34] < mhrd> I suppose thats a fair-enough description :)

[10:35] < orphans> cool :)

[10:35] < mhrd> you're one of the applicants? (been away for a week, just catching up)

[10:35] < orphans> yeah

[10:36] < orphans> mines the networked music thing

[10:36] < mhrd> cool - I'm actually just trying to read the applications now (code.google.com is being annoyingly unresponsive)

[10:37] < orphans> cool

[10:37] < orphans> you got many more in yet? MS- was saying that it had been a bit slow

[10:39] < Lawouach> hi mhrd, orphans

[10:39] < orphans> hi Lawouach

[10:39] < mhrd> does seem a bit slower than previous years, but we have a fair few

[10:40] < orphans> mhrd: cool. I read that a couple of other places were finding it a bit slow this year. Guess it's partly to do with there being so many orgs

[10:42] < mhrd> ok, thats really annoying - bits of the mentoring interface seem to not load in Opera

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[13:18] < Davbo> Good Afternoon all

[13:24] < orphans> afternoon Davbo

[13:25] < Davbo> Just ordered my eeepc again Marshall Ward clearly have technical problems with the website so i did it over the phone :/

[13:26] < orphans> so you are now the proud owner of two eeepc's :D

[13:26] < orphans> the wonders of internet shopping

[13:26] < Davbo> gah i have a bad feeling the last order will just show up somewhere

[13:27] < Davbo> i think they sell for more on ebay than you can get them from Marshall Ward though

[13:45] < Davbo> mhrd, do you know where i can find this "magnadoodle" component MS told me about?

[13:46] < mhrd> I'll take a look ...

[13:47] < Davbo> thank you!

[13:53] < mhrd> Davbo: you looking at ref docs, or sources?

[13:54] < Davbo> I thought MS said it was on svn so i was just browsing his sketches for it

[13:55] < mhrd> it is look in the main kamaelia codebase ( /trunk/Code/Python/Kamaelia )

[13:55] < mhrd> you'll find it here: /trunk/Code/Python/Kamaelia/Kamaelia/UI/Pygame

[13:55] < mhrd> docs built from docstring comments: http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/Components/pydoc/Kamaelia.UI.Pygame.MagnaDoodle.html

[13:56] < Davbo> I should have just looked through the megabundle, sorry about that lol

[13:56] < mhrd> heh, no problem

[13:57] < mhrd> apart from external dependencies, megabundle doesn't contain anything that svn hasn't got

[13:57] < mhrd> in fact Kamaelia and Axon code in svn is considerably more recent

[13:57] < Davbo> Yeah

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[14:04] < Davbo> you had a look at the applications to gsoc yet mhrd?

[14:09] < Davbo> i'd appreciate any feedback on mine once you've had a look

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[15:31] < Davbo> GSoC student application deadline pushed to next Monday

[15:34] < orphans> yeesh, a whole week

[15:35] < orphans> guess my app should be awesome by then :D

[15:37] < Davbo> hehe :)

[15:39] < j_baker> OMG

[15:40] < j_baker> Really?!

[15:40] < mhrd> enjoy :)

[15:40] < j_baker> BTW, does anyone know where the MoreComplexServer component is?

[15:40] Reply: Hm?

[15:42] < j_baker> I can't seem to find it anywhere (I think it may be a sketch somewhere).

[15:43] < mhrd> I'd guess it's a sketch, I'm not aware of anything by that name in the mainline code

[15:44] < mhrd> j_baker: where did you hear about a component called that?

[15:44] < j_baker> Nvm, it's in the ConnectedServer file

[15:44] < j_baker> I was looking through the sketch that michael made that implemented WSGI.

[15:45] < mhrd> k

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[17:23] < j_baker> whois Lawouach

[17:23] < j_baker> whoops

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[18:16] < Lawouach> back for the evening

[18:16] < maveriick> !irclogs

[18:17] < Lawouach> damn I missed j_baker again

[18:17] < maveriick> Lawouach: is he is a mentor?

[18:18] < Lawouach> nope, a student

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[19:43] < j_baker> mhrd or Lawouach... I noticed the comment that Lawouach left on my latest application. I was wondering if one of you would be able to expand on it?

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[19:52] < Lawouach> j_baker, hey there

[19:52] < Lawouach> j_baker, I guess I'm still unsure as to how you make KamConnect average-joe-user friendly and yet define it as a set of Python scripts

[19:53] < Lawouach> I'm just a bit curious

[19:53] < j_baker> I was wanting to use a WYSWIG-ified Content Manager.

[19:54] < Lawouach> yeah

[19:54] < Lawouach> but

[19:54] < Lawouach> as an average user who'd like top use KamConnect

[19:54] < Lawouach> what would I have to do?

[19:55] < j_baker> Ideally install the package, maybe do some configuration if you're behind a NAT, and then go to a webpage to put up your content.

[19:56] < Lawouach> alright

[19:56] < Lawouach> that clears the deployment of it

[19:56] < j_baker> For example, ms- suggested that I may use Cerenity, but I was also thinking about something like MoinMoin

[19:57] < Lawouach> now could you drive me the "go to a webpage and put up your ocntent bit"?

[19:58] < j_baker> Well for instance if I use Cerenity, if you go to a page that doesn't exist, you get a prompt to create the page and a form to do so.

[19:59] < j_baker> It may require some modification to make it a bit more user friendly, but the software supports the basic idea.

[20:00] < j_baker> I would like some time to evaluate the different packages that are out there and evaluate how they fit into the project before I commit to too much though.

[20:01] < j_baker> In that regard, is the info I've provided you (at least here in chat) sufficient to clear up how that would work, or is there something else that I should flesh out?

[20:02] < Lawouach> considering Google has offered more time for evaluation I would appreciate if you could draw some sketch of a use case and post it online

[20:03] < Lawouach> don't bother making it with a fancy tool

[20:03] < Lawouach> paint will do :)

[20:03] < Lawouach> I just want to understand the workflow

[20:03] < j_baker> Ok. Should I necessarily have a package chosen out before the application deadline?

[20:03] < j_baker> (Cerenity, MoinMoin, Plone, etc.)

[20:04] < Lawouach> no

[20:04] < Lawouach> at least I wouldn't ask such thing

[20:04] < Lawouach> the idea is modularity

[20:04] < Lawouach> you'll be most likely testing with a few of them right?

[20:04] < j_baker> Yup. I was going to try to spend the time between now and when coding starts to do some of that.

[20:05] < j_baker> (assuming I'm accepted that is :) )

[20:05] < j_baker> I was thinking about Cerenity or MoinMoin simply because they seem to be the most lightweight options.

[20:10] < victorultimus> Pardon me for being slow, and off topic, but on the Ideas page in the section about a video conferencing tool, I understand everything there but the first sentence referring to "wrapping" some "bindings". Yes those two words. Would someone be so kind to breifly explain?

[20:12] < orphans> victorultimus: basically you wrap a library which is written in some other language (c/c++ normally?) to allow you to access it in python

[20:13] < orphans> the thing which is produced after the wrapping process which lets you call the code is the binding

[20:13] < orphans> ^ probably a bit non-technical, but that's how I understand it :)

[20:13] < victorultimus> Ah, ok. That makes since.

[20:13] < victorultimus> sense

[20:14] < victorultimus> Now, umm, where would I find this "library" to use?

[20:14] < orphans> heh, that's the fun part

[20:15] < victorultimus> Fun, you say?

[20:15] < orphans> I had a bit of a look at this - cross-platform camera libraries are hard to come by

[20:15] < orphans> unless I've been looking in the wrong places :)

[20:16] < orphans> theres a few for windows, and a few for linux and a few for osx. Maybe even a couple for two of the three

[20:17] < victorultimus> So you're basically talking going on some sort of Google quest (blogs, message boards, the like)?

[20:17] < orphans> heh, yeah

[20:17] < victorultimus> ...[*sigh of frustration]

[20:18] < orphans> MS- was talking about the AMSN library - you could maybe have a look at that

[20:18] < orphans> anyways, fraid I've got to go out

[20:19] < orphans> someone else may have a bit more insight than me :)

[20:19] < orphans> bye all

[20:19] < victorultimus> Thank you very mich

[20:19] < victorultimus> much

[20:19] < orphans> np

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