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[00:34] < vmlemon_> Night

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[10:42] < ms-> Well, no more apps since yesterday

[10:45] < ms-> :-(

[10:45] < ms-> Looks like the larger number of orgs this year is making people go for the orgs they already know

[10:46] < ms-> (dirac scrhoedinger has less apps than us for example)

[10:47] < ms-> oh well

[10:48] < Uraeus> yeah, sparse pickings for GStreamer so far also. But hopefully there will be a little rush before the 31st

[10:51] < ms-> indeed.

[10:51] < ms-> Thing is, I won't be around after tomorrow for a week, so I won't be able to help anyone who puts in an app over the next 3 days

[10:52] < ms-> Others will be able to of course

[11:02] < ms-> Doesn't help that the project summary on the python wiki removed the detail I added

[11:02] < ms-> which was ironically far less than the detail for many projects listed there

[11:10] < ms-> yep

[11:15] < ms-> OK, added back a section

[11:16] < ms-> Similar in size to the Web CAT section

[11:16] < ms-> and similar to the MolViz section

[11:16] < ms-> Comments/improvements welcome

[11:16] < ms-> :)

[11:16] < ms-> http://wiki.python.org/moin/SummerOfCode

[11:44] < Lawouach> The Python community can be overly protective at times :)

[11:47] < maveriick> hi evreybody

[11:47] Reply: hi

[11:48] < ms-> Lawouach: indeed

[11:51] < maveriick> I'm interested about one of the two video related projects suggested for Kamaelia's GSOC page - Improved Dirac support or video conferencing tool

[11:51] < maveriick> But I had a basic query....

[11:51] < maveriick> *have

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[11:54] < orphans> morning all

[11:55] < ms-> maveriick: go on

[11:56] < ms-> (btw, to be fair, schoedinger support and webcam support would be realistic as a single GSOC project IMO, and if implemented

[11:56] < ms-> could make the video conferencing idea relatively trivial to implement as a demonstration of both)

[11:57] < ms-> Fairly literally:

[11:57] < ms-> Pipeline(WebcamCapture(), DiracEncode(), TCPClient( ...) )

[11:57] < ms-> Pipeline(TCPServer(), DiracDecode(), MessageRateLimit( ...), VideoOverlya())

[11:57] < ms-> The missing part in that today is WebcamCapture()

[11:58] < maveriick> ok my question is rather basic...

[11:58] < ms-> Schroedinger versions of DiracEncode/Decode (however implemented) would make that perform better

[11:58] < maveriick> Though you are very much open in your GSOC pages ....and inspired prospective students...

[11:58] *** ms- is babbling whilst waiting for the query...

[11:59] < maveriick> Though being a CS graduate, to be honest I don't know how to program in python .....nw I am reading Thinikng in Python ...I dont' think it would take much time to get started .....

[11:59] < maveriick> But do you brave enough to consider someone's proposal whose experienc in pyhton in one week...

[11:59] < ms-> YES!

[11:59] < ms-> :)

[12:00] < ms-> http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/MiniAxon/ was *specifically* written for someone (a specific person originally) who had one week's experience of python

[12:00] < ms-> so I can state that very affirmatively

[12:00] < ms-> :)

[12:00] < ms-> My suggestion is read through "How to think like a computer scientist using python"

[12:00] < ms-> since if you are already a CS person

[12:00] < ms-> and already know at least one language

[12:00] < ms-> it's incredibly quick to read

[12:00] < maveriick> I am reading thinking like a pyhton programmer....

[12:01] < maveriick> I knw c, c++ and Java

[12:01] < ms-> python is like C++ without the type declarations and punctuation

[12:01] < ms-> ish

[12:01] < orphans> maveriick: it's a nice language, not too much voodoo. You should be able to pick it up nice and quick with that background

[12:01] < ms-> About the only thing you may need to do is unlearn somethings

[12:02] < ms-> since some C++ & Java devs tend to over use inheritance

[12:03] *** orphans goes to get some coffee

[12:06] < ms-> I don't know what "Thinking in" is like as a book

[12:06] < ms-> Oh btw

[12:07] < ms-> "How to think like a computer scientist using python" is a free (as in GFDL, so free in every way) book

[12:07] < ms-> which makes it worth reading

[12:07] < ms-> Experience is important to us, and as time gets closer to the deadlines for apps, it will be much more important for people to be able to point at code they've written

[12:07] < ms-> so we can evaluate general experience as well as python

[12:08] < ms-> (someone who is experienced but doesn't know python is probably as good as someone who is experienced with python)

[12:08] < ms-> However we're mainly evaluating *ideas* and how specific/realistic they are and how well planned

[12:09] < ms-> how, to be frank, how enthusiastic someone is about their idea :)

[12:09] *** ms- wanders off for coffee too

[12:51] < maveriick> orphans, ms- : thanks for the inspiration..

[12:58] *** ms- has transformed his project specific suggestions for simon last night into general suggestions

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[13:10] < ms-> for the logs: http://yeoldeclue.com/cgi-bin/blog/blog.cgi?rm=viewpost&nodeid=1206709783

[13:17] < Davbo> Afternoon all

[13:19] < Davbo> ms-, okay if i point to some of my Java stuff then in my application?

[13:20] < Davbo> along with miniaxon

[13:20] < Davbo> because that tutorial really makes it very easy to program the miniaxon

[13:32] < ms-> Of ocourse

[13:32] < ms-> Well, it is intended to be a very gentle tutorial :)

[13:32] < Davbo> oh i know

[13:32] < Davbo> i needed it to be like that, after only a week or so of Python

[13:33] < ms-> It's actually useful for experimenting with different scheduler types as well though

[13:33] < Davbo> I've got a project i did 3 weeks or so ago now. It looks into some text files and tokenizes the data and i place it into objects and query it

[13:33] < ms-> At some point I'll extend the tutorial (or someone else can) to include the CAT, services, accessing shared resources and STM

[13:33] *** ms- nods

[13:33] < Davbo> that going to be any interest for you to have a look at ?

[13:34] < ms-> Yeah, why not

[13:34] < ms-> If you think its representative of your coding style/ability

[13:34] < Davbo> well it's kinda without polish at the moment

[13:34] < Davbo> there's redundant code

[13:34] < ms-> (not because we're after amazing coders - though that is a good thing - but because we can better evaluate your schedule)

[13:34] < Davbo> but i made it all myself

[13:34] < ms-> cool

[13:35] < Davbo> http://www.davbo.org/dcs/COM1020/Stage1/

[13:35] < Davbo> also good if you're interested in astronomy :P

[13:35] < Davbo> the pdf might explain what it is best

[13:36] < ms-> will take a look (not now though)

[13:36] < Davbo> i'll stick a link at the bottom of my application

[14:06] < ms-> ta :)

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[15:05] < j_baker> ms- what is the name of the wiki you showed me? I think it's for sourceforge

[15:06] < ms-> Oh, the one I pointed you at?

[15:06] < ms-> the one running on sourceforge?

[15:06] < j_baker> Yes.

[15:06] < ms-> Currently it's called Cerenity

[15:06] < ms-> (I wrote it)

[15:07] < ms-> I like odd names :)

[15:07] < j_baker> One thing I was thinking about: Does it require MySQL or some other kind of database?

[15:08] < ms-> nope

[15:08] < ms-> flatfile

[15:08] < j_baker> Oh. That's awesome.

[15:08] < ms-> actually allows the files to be mime objects

[15:08] < ms-> also allows for arbitrary diractives to be added

[15:08] < ms-> essentially

[15:09] < j_baker> Is it difficult to adapt it to MySQL if need be>

[15:09] < ms-> [[command][arg=value][arg=value][arg=value] Some text ]

[15:09] < ms-> if the renderer doesn't understand command

[15:09] < ms-> it just renders "Some text"

[15:09] < ms-> if it does, it passes "sometext" and the args to the backend

[15:10] < ms-> which then passes back text

[15:10] < ms-> much like a number of wiki engines

[15:10] < j_baker> That's interesting. Does that go in the HTML?

[15:10] < ms-> but the difference is that it's designed to be parsed in a single pass

[15:10] < ms-> yep

[15:10] < ms-> The difference from most wikis that have directives

[15:10] < j_baker> That may simplify my project a bit.

[15:10] < ms-> is that for each new piece of functionality

[15:11] < ms-> be it *bold* _italic_ %INCLUDES% etc

[15:11] < j_baker> I was thinking about using Kamaelia to preprocess an HTML template.

[15:11] < ms-> every new rule addes an extra parse

[15:11] < ms-> That [[command][arg=value][arg=value][arg=value] Some text ] format is called CDML (content description markup language) - from prowiki

[15:11] < j_baker> Thus, if a user wanted to put in say a friends list, they put in some kind of escape sequence like say {{friends_list}}

[15:12] < ms-> Yes, but there would need to be some changes

[15:13] < ms-> hold on

[15:14] < ms-> now where did that post go...

[15:14] < j_baker> I see. Do you think it would be a good idea to still implement the parser in Kamaelia? This way if someone wants to make a plugin that's independent of the Content manager they can.

[15:14] < ms-> Why not? They can always flip one thing out and replace it for another

[15:15] < ms-> cerenity kinda has a blog here: http://cerenity.org/cgi-bin/blog/blog.cgi

[15:15] *** ms- still looking for the thing I was looking for thouh...

[15:17] < ms-> maybe I took it off line

[15:19] < j_baker> Also, what framework does cerenity use?

[15:21] < ms-> It's pretty old. It uses a version of cgi_app (a port of Perl's CGI::App) which isn't maintained anymore

[15:21] < ms-> actually no, the blog uses that

[15:21] < ms-> IIRC cerenity the wiki doesn't use anything specific - it's just a CGI app

[15:22] < ms-> That on sourceforge and other places, just runs from a 404 error handler

[15:24] < j_baker> I didn't realize there was a python version of yacc.

[15:29] < ms-> heh :)

[15:30] < j_baker> It would be awesome if there was a version that would output Kamaelized code.

[15:34] < j_baker> Although that's probably the best way for my program to implement the parser.

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[15:44] < j_baker> hello, simon___1

[15:45] < simon___1> hello

[15:47] < j_baker> be back in a minute

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[16:07] < ms-> simon___1: Just so you know I've raised your eligibility issue with google, and waiting to hear back.

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[16:10] < simon___1> ms-: great :)

[16:12] < ms-> did you get my message off channel?

[16:12] < ms-> I'm guessing you haven't registered simon___1 with NickServ ?

[16:12] < ms-> (if you haven't you can't send/receive messages off channel)

[16:13] < simon___1> i got your message of channel

[16:13] < ms-> You do it by chatting to the nick NickServ and registering it

[16:13] < ms-> cool

[16:13] < ms-> you can recieve but not send

[16:13] < ms-> that's fine :)

[16:14] < simon___1> ms-: thank you very much :)

[16:14] < Davbo> You off tomorrow ms- ?

[16:15] < ms-> Davbo: very early, yes

[16:15] < ms-> simon___1: I'll forward you what I wrote

[16:17] < Davbo> I'll try and help answering questions about Kamaelia in your absence - so when you get many applications which totally don't understand it you can blame me ;)

[16:17] < ms-> Please do - it'd be much appreciated

[16:17] < ms-> OK, based on discussions to date and applications, I'll be upfront here. My preference for mentoring students is for those I've chatted to and seen code from

[16:17] < ms-> or seen something realistic

[16:18] < ms-> This in practical terms means (in alphabetical order) for me Davbo, j_baker, orphans & simon___1 are probably the front runners at the moment

[16:19] < ms-> However, and despite special words to people on behalf of simon___1, I really don't want to nail that in stone until we've seen all the applications

[16:19] < ms-> and I've had a chance to discuss things with Lawouach, mhrd (who is on leave this week but back next)

[16:19] < j_baker> ms- is there any code I should be writing between now and the time apps close?

[16:19] < ms-> and before we've seen any final applications over the days I won't be here and had a chance to chat to any promising people

[16:20] < ms-> j_baker: I would suggest that if you can include a version of mini-axon and pointers to existing code you've written that helps alot

[16:21] < ms-> The way myself & matt have generally mentored is as a tag team so you have 2 people to ask questions from, but one as primary the other as secondary

[16:21] < ms-> That means we've been able to (properly) mentor and support 4 students or so

[16:22] < Davbo> Ah matt=mhrd?

[16:22] < ms-> Davbo: yep

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[16:22] < ms-> Lawouach is also a mentor this year, and he'll be able to say how many people he feels comfortable mentoring

[16:22] < j_baker> I seem to have lost what I wrote for the mini-axon tutorial. Rather than reinventing the wheel would it be alright if I gave you a couple of simple components I'm working on writing?

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[16:23] < ms-> j_baker: Mini-axon is minimal really, actual code (real components) is better

[16:23] < j_baker> Sweet.

[16:24] < ms-> however, I do want to make it clear that I'm not going to prejudge the final result here since that'd be really really unfair on someone who doesn't have time to put in an app before the weekend or just happens by accident to be away on holiday

[16:24] < ms-> and isn't able to put an app in until the weekend

[16:24] < ms-> I think that's fair ?

[16:24] < ms-> :)

[16:24] < j_baker> Oh, and one other question: If I wanted to install cerenity on my webhost to try it out (and hopefully get my application there if I get the time), where would I put the files? And which files should I upload?

[16:24] < j_baker> Or are there installation instructions somewhere?

[16:25] < Davbo> Yeah, certainly. I'd expect some people to have not come to IRC and been working on applications over this week

[16:25] < Davbo> will probably be an influx of last minute applications

[16:25] < ms-> heh, no, no installation instructions - you'll have to figure it out - I haven't packaged it up in anyway

[16:25] < ms-> the only person who runs that code is me :)

[16:25] < Davbo> Computer Scientists are good at leaving things until deadlines to submit :p

[16:25] < ms-> It shouldn't be that hard though - it should just run from a cgi-bin directory :)

[16:25] < ms-> Davbo: indeedy

[16:26] < ms-> Started seeing some apps like that

[16:26] < j_baker> If I put it in the cgi-bin directory, what URL should I use to access it?

[16:27] < j_baker> domain.com/cgi-bin/ ?

[16:27] < ms-> Does http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/Wiki/wiki/SummerOfCode2008 make things clearer ?

[16:27] < ms-> :)

[16:27] < ms-> That's where it really is on sourceforge

[16:27] < ms-> :)

[16:28] < j_baker> Alright, I'll play with it and see if I can get it to work.

[16:28] < ms-> It has to be able to "just run" from a cgi-bin directory due to limitations of sourceforge

[16:29] < ms-> There's actually support for adding tags to pages as well

[16:29] < ms-> and then browsing by tags

[16:29] < ms-> you'll also see there's stuff like : http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/Cookbook/HTTPServer?template=print

[16:29] < ms-> in there

[16:30] < j_baker> Interesting.

[16:33] < Davbo> brb

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[16:41] < vmlemon_> Hi

[16:42] < j_baker> hola

[16:47] < ms-> Interesting : http://www.hitlabnz.org/forum/showthread.php?t=548

[16:47] < ms-> That probably makes webcams accessible from python in linux & mac os x

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[17:02] < j_baker> that's pretty cool ms-

[17:03] < ms-> The AR Toolkit is very interesting in its own right as well

[17:04] < vmlemon__> Anything for image scanning, Python-wise?

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[17:06] < j_baker> You mean to interface with a camera or scanner?

[17:06] < vmlemon__> Yes

[17:06] < j_baker> I found this: http://twainmodule.sourceforge.net/

[17:06] < j_baker> nvm

[17:06] < j_baker> That only runs on win32

[17:07] < vmlemon__> Just as I expected, somehow ;)

[17:08] < vmlemon__> (the Windows-only bit)

[17:08] *** Davbo fears the army vmlemon forming on the channel

[17:09] < vmlemon__> o.O

[17:09] < j_baker> I don't know if there is any way to do that without being platform dependent. But I could be totally wrong.

[17:09] < j_baker> Was vmlemon__ building an army? And if so what for?

[17:09] < vmlemon__> Aah, I was just curious

[17:09] < Davbo> it's a 3 man army at the moment it seems

[17:09] < j_baker> (couldn't resist the urge to throw in a fight club line)

[17:09] < Davbo> goes up every day though :p

[17:10] < Davbo> platform dependant j_baker hmm perhaps if it were in Java?

[17:11] < j_baker> I have no idea. I was just throwing my thoughts out. :)

[17:12] < Davbo> Well if you acquire an image from TWAIN using Java then you can do it on any platform supporting the JVM, think i've seen that done at uni

[17:12] < vmlemon__> Nah, I ended up having to temporarily change nicks after my client died (it didn't close the connection), and the other is an irssi session on a server in the Netherlands that I use

[17:12] < Davbo> Ah

[17:13] < vmlemon__> Freenode takes eons to clean dead connections...

[17:14] < Davbo> Yeah i've noticed that too

[17:16] < vmlemon__> Probably have a burial procedure and a mourning phase for them ;)

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[17:20] < vmlemon_> There we go

[17:23] < j_baker> ms- in cerenity, is the docbase where the flat text file will be stored?

[17:27] < ms-> yes - that's where the files go

[17:28] < ms-> Config on sourceforge looks like this:

[17:28] < ms-> sans [off] of course

[17:28] < Lawouach> back

[17:29] < vmlemon_> Cerenity is the wiki app?

[17:30] < Davbo> isn't it the ship from Firefly?

[17:31] < j_baker> blegh.... my webhost is using python 2.3.5....

[17:31] < Davbo> perhaps it's also a wiki app :p

[17:32] < ms-> Davbo: you're thinking of serenity

[17:33] < ms-> and no the names aren't related :)

[17:34] < ms-> j_baker: I think sf is older than that

[17:39] < j_baker> Ah, finally got it installed. Just out of curiosity, why does a path like "~/path/to/docbase" not work in the config file in cerenity, ms-?

[17:44] < ms-> because ~ is a shell expansion

[17:45] < ms-> how do you know where ~ is ?

[17:45] < ms-> It might not even exist for some users

[17:45] < ms-> (ones that aren't expected to login and exist solely for permissions purposes)

[17:45] < j_baker> I've got to get to class, but if you get a chance, could you look at http://www.coderspalace.com/cgi-bin/wiki.cgi and see if you can make sense of it? I don't know if it's a problem with my host, some kind of bug, or something stupid on my part.

[17:46] < j_baker> It's giving me a too many recursions error with something due to the file handler.

[17:46] < j_baker> Anyway, I'll talk to you guys later.

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[17:46] < ms-> I probably won't have time now

[17:46] < ms-> fwiw

[17:48] < Davbo> That is a brightly coloured runtime error.

[18:14] < ms-> That error says exactly what the problem is.

[18:14] < ms-> It's saying that it's traversing a link

[18:14] < ms-> which references the base directory

[18:14] < ms-> and just keeps on going

[18:15] < ms-> eg

[18:15] < ms-> ~> ln -s . X

[18:16] < ms-> ~/X> cd X

[18:16] < ms-> ~/X/X> cd X

[18:16] < ms-> ~/X/X/X> cd X

[18:16] < ms-> ~/X/X/X/X> cd X

[18:16] < ms-> ~/X/X/X/X/X> cd X

[18:16] < ms-> ~/X/X/X/X/X/X> cd X

[18:16] < ms-> ~/X/X/X/X/X/X/X> cd X

[18:16] < ms-> ~/X/X/X/X/X/X/X/X>

[18:18] < ms-> if you tried traversing that

[18:18] < ms-> as FileListing(docbase='/home/amnorvend/kamconnect/docbase/' ...

[18:18] < ms-> does

[18:19] < Davbo> oh i see

[18:19] < Lawouach> ms-, I'm gonna head out for the evening (beeeeer), if you wanna tell me anything before you leave for the week, please drop me a PM or an email :)

[18:19] < ms-> that would cause a minor issue

[18:19] < ms-> Lawouach: cool - & thanks :-)

[18:19] < Lawouach> np

[18:19] < ms-> enjoy beer :)

[18:19] < Davbo> get me a beer this time Lawouach :P

[18:19] < Lawouach> will do :)

[18:24] *** ms- remembers why the traverse flag was there

[18:25] < ms-> It used to be used to limit the Index - http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/Sitemap - to a single directory

[18:33] < ms-> OK, I've also disabled editting on the wiki for the moment there was some spam replacing the page content of SummerOfCode2008

[18:33] < ms-> and that's the last thing I'd really want at the moment

[18:33] < ms-> We'll sort something out on that after I get back

[18:33] < Davbo> agh

[18:34] < ms-> Prob won't need to be updated

[18:34] < Davbo> some bots spamming?

[18:35] < ms-> yep

[18:35] < ms-> Easy enough to work around, just not right *now* :-)

[18:35] < ms-> so the change made is this:

[18:35] < ms-> [ms_@pr-shellA Wiki]$ diff -u wiki~ wiki

[18:35] < ms-> --- wiki~ 2008-03-28 11:35:04.000000000 -0700

[18:35] < ms-> +++ wiki 2008-03-28 11:31:42.000000000 -0700

[18:35] < ms-> @@ -108,7 +108,7 @@

[18:35] < ms-> context["meta"] = MimeDict.fromString("\r\n\r\n"+text)

[18:35] < ms-> context["content"] += context["meta"]["__BODY__"]

[18:35] < ms-> # raise repr(context["email_validation"])

[18:35] < ms-> - storePage(context)

[18:35] < ms-> +# storePage(context)

[18:36] < ms-> context["finalpage"] = True

[18:36] < ms-> context["wantthis"] = context["root"] + context["userpagename"]

[18:36] < ms-> print context["rawtemplate"] % context

[18:46] < vmlemon_> kamaeliabot: dance

[18:46] Reply: does the macarena

[18:47] < vmlemon_> kamaeliabot: ecky

[18:47] Reply: Ptang!

[19:05] < ms-> kamaeliabot: reload Kamaelia.Apps.IRCLogger.Support

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[19:06] < ms-> testing

[19:06] < ms-> anyone know when we get feedback?

[19:06] Reply: Hm?

[19:07] < ms-> hm

[19:07] < ms-> when feedback

[19:07] Reply: Hi, I'm a bot. I've been put here to answer faq's and log the channel. You can find the logs at http://yeoldeclue.com/logs/ Please don't ask 'any mentors here' since I'm logging for them. Yes, there is. If you just ask you question

[19:07] Reply: or post your idea, you may get a response - either from a mentor or fellow student or from someone reading the logs.

[19:07] Reply: Regarding applications we will be discussing applications (and maybe asking for improvements) until April 7th or 8th - remember no news may well be good news

[19:07] Reply: Some useful links/tips - use the template : http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/SummerOfCode2006Template - base page: http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/SummerOfCode

[19:07] Reply: Tips for a good application - q's to ask yourself: http://yeoldeclue.com/cgi-bin/blog/blog.cgi?rm=viewpost&nodeid=1206709783

[19:08] < ms-> kamaeliabot: reload Kamaelia.Apps.IRCLogger.Support

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[19:08] < ms-> anyone know when we get feedback?

[19:08] Reply: Hm?

[19:08] < ms-> huh?

[19:08] < ms-> when feedback ?

[19:08] Reply: Hi, I'm a bot. I've been put here to answer faq's and log the channel. You can find the logs at http://yeoldeclue.com/logs/ Please don't ask 'any mentors here' since I'm logging for them. Yes, there is. If you just ask you question

[19:08] Reply: or post your idea, you may get a response - either from a mentor or fellow student or from someone reading the logs.

[19:08] Reply: Regarding applications we will be discussing applications (and maybe asking for improvements) until April 7th or 8th - remember no news may well be good news

[19:08] Reply: Some useful links/tips - use the template : http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/SummerOfCode2006Template - base page: http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/SummerOfCode

[19:08] Reply: Tips for a good application - q's to ask yourself: http://yeoldeclue.com/cgi-bin/blog/blog.cgi?rm=viewpost&nodeid=1206709783

[19:08] < ms-> odd

[19:09] < ms-> kamaeliabot: reload Kamaelia.Apps.IRCLogger.Support

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[19:09] < ms-> anyone know when we get feedback?

[19:09] Reply: Hm?

[19:10] < ms-> wtf?

[19:10] < ms-> when do we get feedback

[19:10] Reply: Hi, I'm a bot. I've been put here to answer faq's and log the channel. You can find the logs at http://yeoldeclue.com/logs/ Please don't ask 'any mentors here' since I'm logging for them. Yes, there is. If you just ask you question

[19:10] Reply: or post your idea, you may get a response - either from a mentor or fellow student or from someone reading the logs.

[19:10] Reply: Regarding applications we will be discussing applications (and maybe asking for improvements) until April 7th or 8th - remember no news may well be good news

[19:10] Reply: Some useful links/tips - use the template : http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/SummerOfCode2006Template - base page: http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/SummerOfCode

[19:10] Reply: Tips for a good application - q's to ask yourself: http://yeoldeclue.com/cgi-bin/blog/blog.cgi?rm=viewpost&nodeid=1206709783

[19:10] < ms-> OK that works

[19:11] < ms-> I guess that will do

[19:11] < ms-> kamaeliabot tell me when we can expect to hear something

[19:11] Reply: Hi, I'm a bot. I've been put here to answer faq's and log the channel. You can find the logs at http://yeoldeclue.com/logs/ Please don't ask 'any mentors here' since I'm logging for them. Yes, there is. If you just ask you question

[19:11] Reply: or post your idea, you may get a response - either from a mentor or fellow student or from someone reading the logs.

[19:11] Reply: Regarding applications we will be discussing applications (and maybe asking for improvements) until April 7th or 8th - remember no news may well be good news

[19:11] Reply: Some useful links/tips - use the template : http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/SummerOfCode2006Template - base page: http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/SummerOfCode

[19:11] Reply: Tips for a good application - q's to ask yourself: http://yeoldeclue.com/cgi-bin/blog/blog.cgi?rm=viewpost&nodeid=1206709783

[19:11] < ms-> i have a question

[19:11] Reply: Hi, I'm a bot. I've been put here to answer faq's and log the channel. You can find the logs at http://yeoldeclue.com/logs/ Please don't ask 'any mentors here' since I'm logging for them. Yes, there is. If you just ask you question

[19:11] Reply: or post your idea, you may get a response - either from a mentor or fellow student or from someone reading the logs.

[19:11] Reply: Regarding applications we will be discussing applications (and maybe asking for improvements) until April 7th or 8th - remember no news may well be good news

[19:11] Reply: Some useful links/tips - use the template : http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/SummerOfCode2006Template - base page: http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/SummerOfCode

[19:11] Reply: Tips for a good application - q's to ask yourself: http://yeoldeclue.com/cgi-bin/blog/blog.cgi?rm=viewpost&nodeid=1206709783

[19:11] < ms-> excellent

[19:12] < ms-> most of the questions people ask which can have canned help

[19:12] < ms-> with that blog entry having all the sorts of questions, tips and stuff I'd expect people to ask themselves

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[19:17] < vmlemon__> kamaeliabot: poke

[19:17] Reply: Not the eye! Not the eye!

[19:18] < vmlemon__> I got the eye?

[19:18] *** vmlemon__ pets kamaeliabot

[19:22] < vmlemon__> Aww, no reply?

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[19:34] < ms-> kamaeliabot: i expect you to die

[19:34] < ms-> hm

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[19:36] < ms-> excellent

[19:37] < vmlemon__> Hmm, it does something new?

[19:38] < ms-> I've added some things to it to tell it to die if necessary

[19:38] < vmlemon__> Hah, cool

[19:42] < vmlemon__> kamaeliabot: What can you do?

[19:52] < vmlemon__> join #wii/

[19:52] < vmlemon__> Damn

[19:53] < ms-> ok, I'm off

[19:53] < ms-> see you all on the other side

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[19:53] < vmlemon__> See you

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[20:04] < vmlemon__> Hi xotaku

[20:08] < xotaku> vmlemon__: hello

[20:08] < xotaku> sorry for the lag ;)

[20:09] < xotaku> i am interested in SoC with kamaelia this year

[20:10] < xotaku> at first i was thinking about wsgifying web serwer

[20:11] < xotaku> but, i supose Jason is applying for this project, am I wright?

[20:12] < xotaku> s/wright/right/

[20:13] < vmlemon__> Not sure

[20:13] < vmlemon__> Many hands make light work

[20:13] < xotaku> i dont get it?

[20:13] < vmlemon__> I'm sure that they'll let several people do that

[20:14] < xotaku> oh, this is interesting

[20:14] < vmlemon__> Although I'm not involved with GSoC

[20:15] < xotaku> so is there any chance, that i can meet someone involved during this weekend?

[20:16] < vmlemon__> I merely have interest in Kamaelia

[20:16] < vmlemon__> There are people doing GSoC here though

[20:17] < vmlemon__> orphans is, I think

[20:17] < orphans> :) hello

[20:17] < xotaku> orphans: hi

[20:18] < orphans> xotaku: lawouach is one of the mentors this year too. he has authority :D

[20:19] < xotaku> os, I am considering applying for integration kamaelia with twisted

[20:19] < xotaku> this looks like cool idea

[20:19] < xotaku> and i would like to discuss some technical details if possible

[20:20] < vmlemon__> Try MS- too, since he's leading the project, although he isn't here at the moment

[20:20] < orphans> i think MS- has gone away for the weekend now

[20:21] < xotaku> lucky :)

[20:22] < orphans> yeah, alright for some isn't it :)

[20:23] < orphans> xotaku: ask the questions, and if any of us know we'll get tell you, otherwise someone will pick it up on the logs and answer back later

[20:24] < xotaku> orphans: sound good

[20:25] < xotaku> so if it should be implemented as a component

[20:25] < xotaku> it have to be sheduleable

[20:26] < xotaku> this is a bit awkward for twisted architecture

[20:26] < orphans> how so?

[20:26] *** orphans knows no twisted

[20:27] < xotaku> twisted is based on call backs

[20:27] < orphans> ahh

[20:27] < xotaku> so you specify what should happen (e.g. which function should be called next) if an event ocurs

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[20:27] < orphans> yeah

[20:28] < xotaku> i.e. whet data is ready or anything

[20:28] < orphans> hum, I think I'm officially above my kamaelia head now - if you wait around/keep checking the logs I'm sure someone knows more than I do :)

[20:30] < orphans> anyways, I have an important appointment with a pint of ale now I'm afraid to say

[20:30] < orphans> seeyou all later

[20:30] < vmlemon__> Twisted's design sure sounds twisted... ;)

[20:30] < xotaku> see you

[20:30] < xotaku> vmlemon__: indeed ;)

[20:31] < xotaku> ok, i that case, i will take a deeper insight into the subject

[20:32] < xotaku> and probably i will show up tomorrow

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[20:32] < vmlemon__> OK

[20:33] < xotaku> oh, btw. is any of kamaelia hackers going to attend to EuroPython 2008?

[20:33] < vmlemon__> There's probably going to be someone who peeks at the logs, and can leave an answer in them

[20:35] < xotaku> actually i havent asked any particural question so far ;). i just wanted to clarify some general idea or something like that

[20:35] *** vmlemon__ finds something to amuse the cat...

[20:38] < vmlemon__> Yay, wool'll do

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[20:57] < vmlemon__> Hi j_baker

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[21:01] < j_baker> hello

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[21:11] < j_baker> I finally figured out how to get the wiki installed (from the sourceforge site)

[21:11] < vmlemon__> It works?

[21:12] < j_baker> Yeah. Albeit it needs to be customized.

[21:12] < vmlemon__> Yay

[21:12] < j_baker> www.coderspalace.com/cgi-bin/wiki.py

[21:14] < j_baker> I was going to host the webpage for my app there, but I don't think I'll get that done this weekend.

[21:18] < j_baker> Speaking of which, tell me what you think... http://www.csdconline.com/kamconnect

[21:19] < vmlemon__> Looking now

[21:20] < vmlemon__> Gives a 404, here

[21:20] < j_baker> Really?

[21:20] < vmlemon__> yup

[21:20] < vmlemon__> :(

[21:21] < j_baker> http://www.csdconline.com/kamconnect or http://www.coderspalace.com/cgi-bin/wiki.py

[21:22] < vmlemon__> Typoed the URL (missed a "c") somehow

[21:22] < j_baker> I'm uploading some files, so it may act wonky for a moment.

[21:22] < vmlemon__> Waiting for it to load

[21:23] < vmlemon__> 22KB loaded...

[21:24] < vmlemon__> looks for text

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[21:24] < vmlemon__> It's a large image?

[21:24] < j_baker> I made it using iWeb (which admittedly isnt a great program for writing webpages), but it was quick and easy.

[21:25] < j_baker> It shouldn't be too large...

[21:25] < j_baker> What browser are you using and what OS?

[21:25] < vmlemon__> Argh, S60Browser is going nuts

[21:28] < vmlemon__> Symbian OS and the Nokia Web Browser (a WebKit derivative)

[21:29] < vmlemon__> Still, interesting stuff to read

[21:30] < j_baker> Eh, the page wasn't really made to support mobile phones. :(

[21:32] < vmlemon__> It'd be a pain to accomodate for such a minor portion of users, although being able to see the text is good enough for me

[21:32] < j_baker> So can we change the applications after we submit it now?

[21:33] < j_baker> Last time I submitted it wouldn't let me change it.

[21:34] < vmlemon__> Not familiar with the SoC process, but can't MS- or a Google person unlock it?

[21:35] < j_baker> If they comment the application it will unlock it.

[21:35] < j_baker> But after I hit update, it still lets me edit it.

[21:36] < vmlemon__> Aah

[21:36] < j_baker> Well, I need to go get ready for work. Talk to you later!

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[21:37] < vmlemon__> Comment -> Unlock -> Change -> Comment -> Lock?

[22:33] < Lawouach> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lawouach/ < -- a few beers nad you take random pictures

[22:33] < Lawouach> meh time for bed

[22:34] < Davbo> night Lawouach

[22:34] < Lawouach> tx

[22:34] < Lawouach> see you tomorrow

[22:35] < Davbo> lol nice pictures :p

[22:35] < Davbo> cya

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[22:35] < Lawouach> :)

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[22:42] < Davbo> night all

[22:52] < vmlemon_> Night